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Congratulations for slowing the world economy for the coming years, and preventing urgent attention to climate changeLast Alternative wrote:Congratulations to Britain for ridding yourselves of the new world order!
Hmm. I guess time will tell. From what I've seen the EU has only drained economies by absorbing wealth and regulating everyone to death. I hope the best for the world. And the pandas!Exowildebeest wrote:Congratulations for slowing the world economy for the coming years, and preventing urgent attention to climate changeLast Alternative wrote:Congratulations to Britain for ridding yourselves of the new world order!![]()
Basically, the Brexit isn't just a waste of all our money, it also kills panda's
That makes me a sad panda!
As a Dutchman I share your sentiment - it feels like being left out in the cold by an old ally, in the face of a great refugee crisis, an economic crisis, and several geopolitical crises...pedrocaetanos wrote:Actually the blame is on all european politicians, and they just blame EU for the mess they leave behind.
But then, EU is made by them, so it's also part of the mess.
But this means UK left EU, but the problems it had remain.
Politicians now lost the escape goat, let's see what's going to happen when pro-brexit voters discover what they wanted to change will not change, while getting changes they didn't want...
By the way, I'm from Portugal, and with Britain we share the oldest alliance in the world. I will miss UK in EU - problems will be harder to solve, and it's the european country I'm most fond of (after mine, of course).
I leave an article that talks about what I said (you will have to translate it, I expect)
http://observador.pt/opiniao/a-falsa-es ... a-solucao/
And a comment from a british journalist that lives in Portugal (english language version in the second half of the page)
http://observador.pt/opiniao/o-meu-cora ... a-partido/
I'm half scot myself have huge family up there .Lowlifebware wrote:.....meanwhile in Scotland, everyone is talking independence, including huge numbers of former unionists, meaning it will almost certainly happen this time. Sorry to all my English friends whom I have great love and respect for, but what realistic alternative is left now?
Correction here. Croatia was an internationally recognised country while Serbia attacked it with a Yugoslav national army. I can't believe that people keep on harping that it was a civil war. Yugoslavia was an abomination made out of six countries where only one of them called the shots. In a very totalitarian way. It costed us Croats a lot but we are very proud that we got rid of that tumour.pedrocaetanos wrote:When was the last time Europe was in peace for 70 years in a row?
(I'm talking war between countries - exception made for "internal problems", such as yuguslavia events and even in EU countries, such as northern ireland or basque country)
Just the facts.Wook wrote:Correction here. Croatia was an internationally recognised country while Serbia attacked it with a Yugoslav national army.
On 8 October 1991, the Croatian Parliament severed all remaining ties with Yugoslavia. The Badinter Arbitration Committee had to rule on the matter. Finally, the Croatian independence was internationally recognized in January 1992, when both the European Economic Community and the United Nations granted Croatia diplomatic recognition, and the country was accepted into the United Nations shortly thereafter.orthodox wrote:Just the facts.Wook wrote:Correction here. Croatia was an internationally recognised country while Serbia attacked it with a Yugoslav national army.
Croatia was not an internationally recognized country when the conflict began.
It was not about Croatia, but about the independence of RSK from Croatia, which Croatia refused to allow.
Sure, I am Russian.Wook wrote:Since your nickname is orthodox, I assume you are either Russian or a Serb.
It is just so convenient to label unwanted people as terrorists, genocide them and force them out of their land.Wook wrote:Haha, RSK was a terrorist stronghold. They tried to make a country within a country even though they had no historical or cultural right to it. We got rid of terrorists and that's that.
Of course we have. We've been there for 1300 years and Serbs started to inhabit those areas in 20th century. Center of terrorist stronghold RSK, city of Knin was a place where our king Demetrius Zvonimir ruled from around 1080. It can't be more important for Croatian history. As I said, anyone who comes to our country and tries to create enclaves will be kicked out. Genocide? Croatia was never accused of genocide because Croatia never committed one. On the other hand, your orthodox buddies Serbs have plenty of those in their "history".orthodox wrote:Sure, I am Russian.Wook wrote:Since your nickname is orthodox, I assume you are either Russian or a Serb.
It is just so convenient to label unwanted people as terrorists, genocide them and force them out of their land.Wook wrote:Haha, RSK was a terrorist stronghold. They tried to make a country within a country even though they had no historical or cultural right to it. We got rid of terrorists and that's that.
Croatia had no more historical rights, it just happened to gain a republic status as a part of the SFRY.
With all due respect, it's the usage of terms like "outsiders" which has got the UK into the seriously deep shit it is now in.submonsterz wrote: I'm half scot myself have huge family up there .
the only thing is take out the English land owners and other English ownership in Scotland there is not much left for you to go on with.
think too much of Scotland is owened by the English and other foreign investors etc.
I think Scotland will go pop if you go independent to be honest everything of worth is owened by outsiders .
That's basically how the current government in Ukraine came to power. You know, the ones that should also be in the EU monstrosity, according to the EU maniacs such as Verhofstadt and van Baalen. Screw the EU. Congrats to Britain. As if it was all that bad with the "economy" before this whole circus started.Wook wrote: Haha, RSK was a terrorist stronghold. They tried to make a country within a country even though they had no historical or cultural right to it. We got rid of terrorists and that's that. What was there to allow? Would you allow a gang of drunk terrorists walk into your backyard and claim that it's theirs now
Don't think for a minute that people in the UK are not aware that Cameron used the carrot of an EU referendum in the UK to gain a further term in office. Now by doing that he's seen us out of the EU, divided the UK against itself and conviently walked away from the complete mess he's made as a result.pedrocaetanos wrote:
The problem is not Europe, EU. Its decadent politicians and failing democratic systems. EU is a convenient escape goat.
Without this escape goat the next choice for that taks will be immigrants, and who knows what comes next.
Don't forget either that the other half is not by any means anti-Europe they maybe more on 'your side' than you think...pedrocaetanos wrote: ... and after all, half of UK is "on our side".
Spare me your religious tales. Turks did not persecute people for their religion, just imposed taxes. Simple occupation by Ottoman rule, nothing of the kind of Catholic expansionWook wrote:Catholics were killed on the spot but orthodox people were spared because they allied with Turks in their attacks on Christian Europe.
These are not tales but historical facts. Stop reading alternative history books. I don't care about religion. I've given you an explanation of how extremely nationalistic orthodox church used it's influence to create a nation out of thin air based on religion. So, you are saying that anyone can come to Moscow and say that it's theirs now? I'd like to see that. No one with a spine would allow that, so we didn't either. We regained out territory fair and square. Serbs were offered a Z4 plan, they refused it and green light was given to Croatian army to neutralise the enemy.orthodox wrote:Spare me your religious tales. Turks did not persecute people for their religion, just imposed taxes. Simple occupation by Ottoman rule, nothing of the kind of Catholic expansionWook wrote:Catholics were killed on the spot but orthodox people were spared because they allied with Turks in their attacks on Christian Europe.. However, both Croats and Serbs started migrating towards Austria and eventually settled on new lands. Are you going to make a claim to Bosnians who took their (your) lands during the same period?
Anyway, it is not about who is good or bad, or who's on whose side. I can also mention the Nazi occupation period. It's about people's right to declare independence. Croats did not have any more right to suppress the independence of RSK than Serbs had regarding Kosovo.
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