(Melodic House/Techno) Sausenburg

[Popey]

My latest effort. Any comments appreciated

[Billy+]

Cool track

The level of the kick during intro is a bit too much for me
Add a bit more length to the outro it seems to finish to quickly, in fact I think you could lengthen the whole track
Maybe drop the hat/shaker for the first 4 - 8 bars of a phrase to relax for a while.

But hey it's a personal taste and I like what you've done, another cool track

Can't say anything about the mix other than I'm listening on my iPad and it sounds ok....

[Popey]

Cool track

The level of the kick during intro is a bit too much for me
Add a bit more length to the outro it seems to finish to quickly, in fact I think you could lengthen the whole track
Maybe drop the hat/shaker for the first 4 - 8 bars of a phrase to relax for a while.

But hey it's a personal taste and I like what you've done, another cool track

Can't say anything about the mix other than I'm listening on my iPad and it sounds ok....

Thanks billy. I agree about the kick and reduced it a few db. all other changes will have to wait until I next have a few moments.

I intentionally make these as short pieces though as i get bored other wise .

That and i use them as pieces whilst i learn. This track was all about me trying to get my head round parallel compression and reverb (on sends)

[integerpoet]

Add a bit more length to the outro it seems to finish to quickly…

SoundCloud spontaneously paused my playback at around 2:45, and I thought "DAMN, Billy was right!"

[Popey]

Add a bit more length to the outro it seems to finish to quickly…

SoundCloud spontaneously paused my playback at around 2:45, and I thought "DAMN, Billy was right!"

Kind of the quick fade outs

My tracks are quite short at the moment but not that short

[Billy+]

Thanks billy. I agree about the kick and reduced it a few db. all other changes will have to wait until I next have a few moments.

I intentionally make these as short pieces though as i get bored other wise .

That and i use them as pieces whilst i learn. This track was all about me trying to get my head round parallel compression and reverb (on sends)

Don't got changing it necessarily but maybe think about it during your next "learning session" I totally understand what your saying and sometimes going back into a sessions can really kill off the essence.

But I have listened to a lot of your tracks and in general I like them and prefer not to post anything critical but considering that you ask I decided that I would suggest adding a bit more length to the sections, I guess that the general content is "radio edit" rather than "club/ep" but

What you've made is nice to listen to

Personally I would like to hear longer breakdowns (16-32 bars) with lengthy (I think the kids are now calling drops) 32-64 bars, I also quite like a 16-32 bar mid intro which is something that seems to be quite popular as intros that are "hooky" rather than for the dj (drums with minimal bass) catch the casual listeners

Honestly I hope it helps you - but don't like to post as text can come across negative when I'm definitely not trying to be.

[Popey]

Thanks billy. I agree about the kick and reduced it a few db. all other changes will have to wait until I next have a few moments.

I intentionally make these as short pieces though as i get bored other wise .

That and i use them as pieces whilst i learn. This track was all about me trying to get my head round parallel compression and reverb (on sends)

Don't got changing it necessarily but maybe think about it during your next "learning session" I totally understand what your saying and sometimes going back into a sessions can really kill off the essence.

But I have listened to a lot of your tracks and in general I like them and prefer not to post anything critical but considering that you ask I decided that I would suggest adding a bit more length to the sections, I guess that the general content is "radio edit" rather than "club/ep" but

What you've made is nice to listen to

Personally I would like to hear longer breakdowns (16-32 bars) with lengthy (I think the kids are now calling drops) 32-64 bars, I also quite like a 16-32 bar mid intro which is something that seems to be quite popular as intros that are "hooky" rather than for the dj (drums with minimal bass) catch the casual listeners

Honestly I hope it helps you - but don't like to post as text can come across negative when I'm definitely not trying to be.

Hi Billy it definitely does not come across as negative and I appreciate the comments from yourself and others on here. I tend to agree with the majority of comments I get and they really help me grow so am always happy when I receive them and it is something I would always actively encourage.

I still buy the odd track on beatport and agree about the drop and breakdown comments. Have to be honest and say I am not sure what you mean by mid intro so if you have any ideas of reference tracks with these it would be good to learn more.

I do think I am at the stage of my development now where I should try and complete a longer track (6-7 minutes) and concentrate on it over a longer time period instead of the one weekend learning tracks I have done up to now.

This would help me improve arrangement especially drops etc over a longer period. Thanks for listening and providing clear constructive feedback, lots for me to concentrate on.

[Billy+]

Yeah I was thrown a bit by what I would refer to as a breakdown being called a mid intro but I think it's probably just a longer version of a hooky intro rather than a conventional breakdown.

Listen to this, it starts with the main vocal then after a minute or so repeats the intro section but longer with a few more elements - now I'm not sure that the original producer would consider it a mid intro.

[Billy+]

This is a screen grab of my quick analysis of the track above if it interests you

InMyHeart-DeepHouse.png (53.5 KiB) Viewed 2170 times

[Popey]

This is a screen grab of my quick analysis of the track above if it interests you

InMyHeart-DeepHouse.png

Cheers Billy. Listened to the track a few times and gives food for thought. It's not something I see commonly in melodic house/techno

[klasson]

I really like the first couple of bars after the break!
It might just be me, but you might have a bit too many different synths and melodies introduced too fast. I think you could do a lot with less and instead of introducing new sounds you could play around with filtering and modulating earlier synths to make the track move forward.

But you have a clean-sounding mix and every sound has its place from what I can hear. Nice work!

And yea, it might end a bit suddenly, but a 4-minute track is not short in my opinion, seems tracks just gets shorter and shorter nowadays. I remember when I played out in the clubs and you needed a couple of "mix minutes" on every track to even get played

[Billy+]

This is a screen grab of my quick analysis of the track above if it interests you

InMyHeart-DeepHouse.png

Cheers Billy. Listened to the track a few times and gives food for thought. It's not something I see commonly in melodic house/techno

It's not something that I was aware of until recently, and I'm still not convinced that "mid intro" is really what it is but it's definitely worth thinking about in this world of limited attention - throw the main vocal in right from the start then create a breakdown that moves into a drum free melodic phrase that builds into the vocal.

[Popey]

I really like the first couple of bars after the break!
It might just be me, but you might have a bit too many different synths and melodies introduced too fast. I think you could do a lot with less and instead of introducing new sounds you could play around with filtering and modulating earlier synths to make the track move forward.

But you have a clean-sounding mix and every sound has its place from what I can hear. Nice work!

And yea, it might end a bit suddenly, but a 4-minute track is not short in my opinion, seems tracks just gets shorter and shorter nowadays. I remember when I played out in the clubs and you needed a couple of "mix minutes" on every track to even get played

Thanks for listening and the feedback, most appreciated.
I think you have a valid point about the speed of sounds being introduced and think stripping back elements with longer transitions could help.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Add a bit more length to the outro it seems to finish to quickly…

SoundCloud spontaneously paused my playback at around 2:45, and I thought "DAMN, Billy was right!"

Oh goodness, that sounds terrifying

[PhillipOrdonez]

Less is more, Popey, listen to the guy who said something along the lines above on this thread.

The mix sounds good on the phone headphones. Good job.

You probably want to work on the arrangement at some point and sparse out the ideas you have and maybe let go of some of the synth sounds (one sound particularly) which don't totally work with the style.

Keep it up.

[PhillipOrdonez]

Regarding what you said about not being at the stage to develop full length tracks... That's bullshit Popey. It isn't more difficult to make a track that long. If anything, I think it should be easier than making them shorter.

[Popey]

Regarding what you said about not being at the stage to develop full length tracks... That's bullshit Popey. It isn't more difficult to make a track that long. If anything, I think it should be easier than making them shorter.

Nah man i struggle with longer tracks as it is harder to keep things interesting and avoid repetition. Its something I have to work on and will only get better if i actually write longer tracks. Maybe the reason i chuck so much stuff in

[PhillipOrdonez]

Regarding what you said about not being at the stage to develop full length tracks... That's bullshit Popey. It isn't more difficult to make a track that long. If anything, I think it should be easier than making them shorter.

Nah man i struggle with longer tracks as it is harder to keep things interesting and avoid repetition. Its something I have to work on and will only get better if i actually write longer tracks. Maybe the reason i chuck so much stuff in

Repetition is your friend.

[Auryn]

Repetition is your friend.

QFT, repetition is the basis of house/techno music

I enjoyed the track, gives off a Kompakt vibe to me. Seeing the German name makes me think you were aiming for something similar.

[Popey]

Nah man i struggle with longer tracks as it is harder to keep things interesting and avoid repetition. Its something I have to work on and will only get better if i actually write longer tracks. Maybe the reason i chuck so much stuff in

Repetition is your friend.

Will take this on board.

Been thinking about this yesterday and listening to tunes, repetition is there in what I have listened to but noticed lots of very small changes to things.
Lot more subtle than whole new sounds or melodies just little modulations to what is already there.

Thanks Phillip

[Popey]

Repetition is your friend.

QFT, repetition is the basis of house/techno music

I enjoyed the track, gives off a Kompakt vibe to me. Seeing the German name makes me think you were aiming for something similar.

Thanks for listening and I get you and Phillips point about repetition.

The name is actually just a made up word that comes from being silly with my youngest child when he quizzes me on my knowledge of countries(he knows them all). I used it as it sounded slightly German and the obvious link to Berlin techno etc.

Had not heard of Kompakt before but listened to few tracks from that label and liking what I have heard so far.

[rare_shadow]

Sounds really punchy. Good job.

[Uman's]

I find the mastering rather not bad, the instruments well located in space even if I find the break at 1"25 too strong.
Overall, I find that the too high level of all tracks in the mixer plays tricks in the overall compression.

The purely melodic side is missing, it remains the atmosphere. It lacks history and it seems so empty. We hear an instrument that could be the main one but it remains too discreet. Probably a lack of melodic knowledge to actually build a melody that stands.

Nevertheless, I think there is an idea. With such a good notion of mastering, the hardest part is done.

[integerpoet]

Been thinking about this yesterday and listening to tunes, repetition is there in what I have listened to but noticed lots of very small changes to things. Lot more subtle than whole new sounds or melodies just little modulations to what is already there.

I struggle with this. I stall on many tracks because I assume repetition will bore my (very hypothetical) audience. Perhaps I should see it more as an opportunity for evolving sound design, but so far I just don't think that way very much.

[PhillipOrdonez]

If you want a masterclass in the art of repetition/subtle variation, listen to the music of a minimalist genius like Robert Hood.