Encore

[Mucrafta]

@wongothesane:
first an oboe and second an flute lowered playing to get alto flute

[WongoTheSane]

@wongothesane:
first an oboe and second an flute lowered playing to get alto flute

Nice, well played!

[Softphonics]

Great feedback everyone, Thank you

[maestroejb2000]

I'm really on the fence about buying this as I just got burned buying Project SAM, I thought it would be amazing, but its been a nightmare so far and I can only record to 2 tracks before my CPU goes nuts.......This and their Orchestral percussion look very good, I didn't know they had a Woodwind Refill but I would love to hear it...........

[WongoTheSane]

I'm really on the fence about buying this as I just got burned buying Project SAM, I thought it would be amazing, but its been a nightmare so far and I can only record to 2 tracks before my CPU goes nuts.......This and their Orchestral percussion look very good, I didn't know they had a Woodwind Refill but I would love to hear it...........

These are just Refills, which means they only use stock devices (and in some cases a free RE from Pongasoft, which uses almost no CPU). The patches are either dry NNXTs, or combis containing a couple of NNXTs, a mixer, a couple of Thors and some effects. You might want to check first whether the bottleneck is in your computer by trying the Benchmark Song that you can download from this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=7263897

Depending on how long your computer can play that song, it might help in diagnosing your problem. I'm working on a song right now that has about 20 tracks, each with complex patches (I mean Combis, as opposed to the dry NNXT version) from Softphonics' ScoRe series, and I'm barely lighting up the first CPU bar. I can't compare to Project Sam though, as I don't have it.

How much RAM do you have?

[PurpleMonkeyDishes]

I'm really on the fence about buying this as I just got burned buying Project SAM, I thought it would be amazing, but its been a nightmare so far and I can only record to 2 tracks before my CPU goes nuts.......This and their Orchestral percussion look very good, I didn't know they had a Woodwind Refill but I would love to hear it...........

Encore is WAY better than Projectsam, And Encore will not eat your dsp as you describe with projectsam, Go for Encore you wont be disappointed! 100%

[maestroejb2000]

Fantastic replies guys!! Thank you so much, I will try that song to check my laptop.....

[Mucrafta]

Fantastic replies guys!! Thank you so much, I will try that song to check my laptop.....

://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic.php

[JJGreen]

Some Questions:

1. How does this refill compare to the Miroslav collection or other alternatives on the market? Not that I really have the ear for it, but I feel a bit disappointed sometimes with Miroslav, and from reading feedback here on the SAM RE, that seems to be met with dissatisfaction

2. How much of the Encore pack is reliant on Reason 8 or Reason 9 native devices?

3. Are the sounds actually samples of instruments, or synthesized sounds? I've always - maybe wrongly - assumed that most ReFills are samples, such as in the Abbey Road pack, but something the other day made me wonder (in relation to Miroslav, not of Encore)

4. Has there been any refill technology changes that allow for copy protection, which might allow for 30 day trials? I'm not sure this was ever possible before. As I rarely use orchestral tones, I am a bit reluctant to outright buy Encore simply based on the developer write up. That said, I'm slightly tempted anyway As a compromise, I wonder if there are plans for a 'demo pack', showcasing a few of the best patches in each instrument category

[PurpleMonkeyDishes]

Some Questions:

1. How does this refill compare to the Miroslav collection or other alternatives on the market? Not that I really have the ear for it, but I feel a bit disappointed sometimes with Miroslav, and from reading feedback here on the SAM RE, that seems to be met with dissatisfaction

2. How much of the Encore pack is reliant on Reason 8 or Reason 9 native devices?

3. Are the sounds actually samples of instruments, or synthesized sounds? I've always - maybe wrongly - assumed that most ReFills are samples, such as in the Abbey Road pack, but something the other day made me wonder (in relation to Miroslav, not of Encore)

4. Has there been any refill technology changes that allow for copy protection, which might allow for 30 day trials? I'm not sure this was ever possible before. As I rarely use orchestral tones, I am a bit reluctant to outright buy Encore simply based on the developer write up. That said, I'm slightly tempted anyway As a compromise, I wonder if there are plans for a 'demo pack', showcasing a few of the best patches in each instrument category

I suppose it should be pointed out that it is not just the developers write up, there is articles about it all over the web. And when you say about buying encore "Outright" have you seen how much better value it is than a rack extension.

To answer your questions,
Miroslav is much older, Encore is the clearest sounding strings Iv used in Reason
Encore doesn't work in Reason 8 only 9+ and uses all native devices, why that is important? who knows, its low on dsp if that is what you mean.
The sounds are sampled real instruments 100%
If the item was 100 bucks or 150 bucks ye id assume there would be a demo pack, but it is like 35 bucks!.... It is pocket change for what you get.

You ever get the urge to throw cold water in someones face or shake them to wake them up?, well I get that feeling right now

[IdoAudio]

First time poster, but couldn't let this issue go by,

PERSPECTIVE

Encore = Better & Cheaper
Strings RE's = Not as good, 3 or 4 times the price.

At the end of the day support the developers who support you and not try rob you.

+1 for Encore

[maestroejb2000]

IdoAudio: Wise words indeed.....I just saw that Encore only works with Reason 9, I have Reason 8, and to be honest since I'm a keyboard player and composer, the "Auto" chords and other stuff does not appeal to me in the slightest. Can anyone tell me WHY we must upgrade just to use a certain refill? Doesn't seem right.....my opinion is that if Props brings out a version with really killer features (Like the ability to use Kontakt libraries) I would upgrade in a heartbeat, but I saw nothing redeeming in going from 8 to 9, please correct me anyone if I'm mistaken......thanks!

[JJGreen]

Can anyone tell me WHY we must upgrade just to use a certain refill?

I don't understand this either, considering the pack is for orchestral music. If it was a "smoking arps" collection for electronic music, then sure, I can see why the patches would use the Players.

The creator of this refill appears to pop his head in occasionally (which is really great) so maybe he might elaborate a little more for us as to the direction of the development, and the utilization of the Players

[Softphonics]

Can anyone tell me WHY we must upgrade just to use a certain refill?

I don't understand this either, considering the pack is for orchestral music. If it was a "smoking arps" collection for electronic music, then sure, I can see why the patches would use the Players.

The creator of this refill appears to pop his head in occasionally (which is really great) so maybe he might elaborate a little more for us as to the direction of the development, and the utilization of the Players

Hi Guys,
The reason you need to have reason 9 is that this refill has over 700 Combinators, And among the sections there is a very important section called "Animated Strings" which is the same principal as a kontakt product like Action strings, These combinators need all 3 of the players to function the way they do. The ability to choose the timing 2/4 , 4/4, 3/4, 8,4 and press a key to have a sequence or arp play in key, on time, every time, It is like rex technology only using midi, with options to tweak too wouldn't be possible otherwise. So it is for this reason the version 9 is a minimum requirement.
Hope that helps!

[kitekrazy]

First time poster, but couldn't let this issue go by,

PERSPECTIVE

Encore = Better & Cheaper
Strings RE's = Not as good, 3 or 4 times the price.

At the end of the day support the developers who support you and not try rob you.

+1 for Encore

Refills can be stored on a different drive. I don't think a sample based RE is like that. Does anyone know?

[PurpleMonkeyDishes]

First time poster, but couldn't let this issue go by,

PERSPECTIVE

Encore = Better & Cheaper
Strings RE's = Not as good, 3 or 4 times the price.

At the end of the day support the developers who support you and not try rob you.

+1 for Encore

Refills can be stored on a different drive. I don't think a sample based RE is like that. Does anyone know?

All true.

[kitekrazy]

Just bought. I will have to mess around layering these with ChambRE.

[kjo]

Hello reason users.

I just downloaded encore for reason 9.2 and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here with these combinators.

I found that most of the combinators inside the keyswitch folder have this issue where the white keys (one octave below middle C and lower) don't play when you hit the key but rather on the release of the key. Can anyone confirm this or know what Im doing wrong?

I also noticed that the solo instrument patch has no sounds.

[Carly(Poohbear)]

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Hello reason users.

I just downloaded encore for reason 9.2 and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here with these combinators.

I found that most of the combinators inside the keyswitch folder have this issue where the white keys (one octave below middle C and lower) don't play when you hit the key but rather on the release of the key. Can anyone confirm this or know what Im doing wrong?

I also noticed that the solo instrument patch has no sounds.

Yes I get the same issue, it looks like they have not setup the switchboard Mixer correctly, The Switchboard is looking across the whole range of the keyboard where as really it should be set to C0 to F0, if you set that then it works, but I agree this look like a mistake on their behalf..

The reason you can only hear on note off is because the keys solo the mix channels, when you release the key it un-solo's mix channels and hence you hear sound, the mix channels it solo's just below C2 don't have any audio going through them hence no sound.

Softphonics can you look into this, looks like all patches in the keyswitch are like this...

[PurpleMonkeyDishes]

...

Hello reason users.

I just downloaded encore for reason 9.2 and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here with these combinators.

I found that most of the combinators inside the keyswitch folder have this issue where the white keys (one octave below middle C and lower) don't play when you hit the key but rather on the release of the key. Can anyone confirm this or know what Im doing wrong?

I also noticed that the solo instrument patch has no sounds.

Yes I get the same issue, it looks like they have not setup the switchboard Mixer correctly, The Switchboard is looking across the whole range of the keyboard where as really it should be set to C0 to F0, if you set that then it works, but I agree this look like a mistake on their behalf..

The reason you can only hear on note off is because the keys solo the mix channels, when you release the key it un-solo's mix channels and hence you hear sound, the mix channels it solo's just below C2 don't have any audio going through them hence no sound.

Softphonics can you look into this, looks like all patches in the keyswitch are like this...

Come on guys.. really...Its user error, Their refills go through a serious amount of testing so asking softphonics to look into it is a bit silly and time wasting! And how many times have they said if anyone needs help to just shoot them an email rather than posting in non direct forums? I dont get it personally.

You need to hold down or draw in the midi note for C D E F to tell the combi which of the 4 sound emissions you want, not just press it once. and to switch of the tail end you mention just use the builtin switch gate! It works perfectly when you use it correctly.....

[IdoAudio]

Hello reason users.

I just downloaded encore for reason 9.2 and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here with these combinators.

I found that most of the combinators inside the keyswitch folder have this issue where the white keys (one octave below middle C and lower) don't play when you hit the key but rather on the release of the key. Can anyone confirm this or know what Im doing wrong?

I also noticed that the solo instrument patch has no sounds.

Your are just using it wrong. Have you read the manual, I downloaded it here http://www.softphonics.com/user-manuals

Its awesome when you use it correctly! I love that they try new things with workflow considering the limitations imposed by Reason. Well done softphonics please keep it up
Suggesting that a developer is at fault when a user can't get a hold of something is more than a bit amatuer in fairness, think about it. you only have to read the reasontalk interview with softphonics to see the time and work that goes into these refills

[Softphonics]

Yes I get the same issue, it looks like they have not setup the switchboard Mixer correctly, The Switchboard is looking across the whole range of the keyboard where as really it should be set to C0 to F0, if you set that then it works, but I agree this look like a mistake on their behalf..

Softphonics can you look into this, looks like all patches in the keyswitch are like this...

Hi guys,
A user just emailed me to tell me about his thread.

Essentially you are not using the keyswitch patches the right way. Have you read the manual?
Unlike Kontakt etc you need to hold down the midi note to play the keyswitch. It's not a "mistake on our behalf"
We are working within the limit of devices that have not been updated in many many years.
When you use it the right way it will all make sense to you! I promise

Grab the manual from our website if you need it

Andrew

[Carly(Poohbear)]

Come on guys.. really...Its user error, Their refills go through a serious amount of testing so asking softphonics to look into it is a bit silly and time wasting! And how many times have they said if anyone needs help to just shoot them an email rather than posting in non direct forums? I dont get it personally.

Someone has asked a question and I verified what they are experiencing so they now know they don't have any issues at their end (I talking generally here)

This is softphonics post and they have replied, (and a lot quicker than I thought they would), so I get it..

You need to hold down or draw in the midi note for C D E F to tell the combi which of the 4 sound emissions you want, not just press it once. and to switch of the tail end you mention just use the builtin switch gate! It works perfectly when you use it correctly.....

I understand that really you have to hold down the key switches all time while playing, they have provide a good workflow however it's not perfect as there are tail ends that can't be helped with fast switching and the switch gate button does not help..

Yes I get the same issue, it looks like they have not setup the switchboard Mixer correctly, The Switchboard is looking across the whole range of the keyboard where as really it should be set to C0 to F0, if you set that then it works, but I agree this look like a mistake on their behalf..

Softphonics can you look into this, looks like all patches in the keyswitch are like this...

Hi guys,
A user just emailed me to tell me about his thread.

Essentially you are not using the keyswitch patches the right way. Have you read the manual?
Unlike Kontakt etc you need to hold down the midi note to play the keyswitch. It's not a "mistake on our behalf"
We are working within the limit of devices that have not been updated in many many years.
When you use it the right way it will all make sense to you! I promise

Grab the manual from our website if you need it

Andrew

I understand that really you need to hold the key switches down on these devices but it does not help that not all the patches are not all setup the same. (you have some with switch gate enabled, some in solo and some in neither mode)

e.g. the "Cellos Multi Patch 1" I can load this patch and start playing (as it's neither in solo or switch gate mode so all samplers play) higher up the keyboard without using the key switches (you may say that I'm now not using this patch correctly), however like I said when you play below C2 you start to see issues as the keyboard range is effecting the switchboard mixer (again you can say I'm not using the patch as intended), if the range of keys used on the switchboard mixer are limited to C0-F0 then you don't see that issue and have another way to play the patches (You could also say by limiting the keyboard range for the switchboard to just the keys you really want is technically the correct way, yes I'm dotting my i's and crossing my T's here, personally if I do start to use the keyswitch patches more (as they are great fun and sounds)) this is what I will do).


Regards...

[Softphonics]

I understand that really you need to hold the key switches down on these devices but it does not help that not all the patches are not all setup the same. (you have some with switch gate enabled, some in solo and some in neither mode)

e.g. the "Cellos Multi Patch 1" I can load this patch and start playing (as it's neither in solo or switch gate mode so all samplers play) higher up the keyboard without using the key switches (you may say that I'm now not using this patch correctly), however like I said when you play below C2 you start to see issues as the keyboard range is effecting the switchboard mixer (again you can say I'm not using the patch as intended), if the range of keys used on the switchboard mixer are limited to C0-F0 then you don't see that issue and have another way to play the patches (You could also say by limiting the keyboard range for the switchboard to just the keys you really want is technically the correct way, yes I'm dotting my i's and crossing my T's here, personally if I do start to use the keyswitch patches more (as they are great fun and sounds)) this is what I will do).


Regards...

Hey Carly,
Honestly we set up different patches in different ways, but we would expect different users to set the buttons up to suit their own needs, this is something we can not pre judge in all honesty, But look you can always shoot me an email about anything Ill always help. Reason is not built for keyswitching using stock devices, so we work with the tools provided, 99% of people love the concept. I would assume some automation, and some editing is to be expected with anything complicated musically.

Take care

[Carly(Poohbear)]

I understand that really you need to hold the key switches down on these devices but it does not help that not all the patches are not all setup the same. (you have some with switch gate enabled, some in solo and some in neither mode)

e.g. the "Cellos Multi Patch 1" I can load this patch and start playing (as it's neither in solo or switch gate mode so all samplers play) higher up the keyboard without using the key switches (you may say that I'm now not using this patch correctly), however like I said when you play below C2 you start to see issues as the keyboard range is effecting the switchboard mixer (again you can say I'm not using the patch as intended), if the range of keys used on the switchboard mixer are limited to C0-F0 then you don't see that issue and have another way to play the patches (You could also say by limiting the keyboard range for the switchboard to just the keys you really want is technically the correct way, yes I'm dotting my i's and crossing my T's here, personally if I do start to use the keyswitch patches more (as they are great fun and sounds)) this is what I will do).


Regards...

Hey Carly,
Honestly we set up different patches in different ways, but we would expect different users to set the buttons up to suit their own needs, this is something we can not pre judge in all honesty, But look you can always shoot me an email about anything Ill always help. Reason is not built for keyswitching using stock devices, so we work with the tools provided, 99% of people love the concept. I would assume some automation, and some editing is to be expected with anything complicated musically.

Take care

I understand and will do...