Kong or ReDrum

[SampleScience]

I'm fairly new to Reason and I'm in the process of creating a Drum Kit ReFill. I'm wondering, what's better for drum kits in Reason: Kong or ReDrum?

[Benedict]

Each has it's attributes. ReDrum has a Sequencer so is more immediate for classic drum machine gratification. Kong is more of everything except a sequencer - which you can CV in from ReDrum anyway.

[fotizimo]

Each has it's attributes. ReDrum has a Sequencer so is more immediate for classic drum machine gratification. Kong is more of everything except a sequencer - which you can CV in from ReDrum anyway.

As well with Kong, there are options for timbre synthesis which Redrum cannot offer. Redrum can only use sampled sounds as the basis for its kits.

[SampleScience]

Humm... I'm mapping 8-bit chitune drums, so I think ReDrum will be enough. Kong might be overkill for that type of samples.

Thanks guys!

[ejanuska]

You can put both Kong and Redrums in a refill. And the samples if desired.
Just sayin

[mreese80]

Kong is a beast. if you want to use a sequencer with kong cv the redrum with it.

[SampleScience]

You can put both Kong and Redrums in a refill. And the samples if desired.
Just sayin

Yeah, I thought about doing that, just for the sake of convenience. That might be the smartest thing to do business wise.

[mreese80]

Kong all day man. It's a beast

[dustmoses]

Kong because you can mix the drums somewhat without wiring it up.

At the end of the day I usually send the drums to separate tracks but it's nice to get the drums somewhat good early on.

[Libraquaricorn]

I wish the redrum sequencer could be extended to 4 lanes. It would not take up much space and it would improve wokflow massively.

[tobypearce]

Here's a simple combinator so that gives you the best of both worlds.

It uses Redrum to control Kong. Each Redrum channel controls a different Pad in 10. Just select Redrum 1 through to 10 and sequence 10 pads in Kong.
Since Redrum is a Props device you can copy the drum patterns to the sequencer for even further control later.

[tobypearce]

I wish the redrum sequencer could be extended to 4 lanes. It would not take up much space and it would improve wokflow massively.

+1 for that suggestion.

In fact, I'd just love a new device that was simply the lower section of Redrum, but showing multiple lanes at once, with gate outs to control different pads in Kong. FL Studio has always implemented this very well - it's something I miss from that DAW.

[OverneathTheSkyBridg]

I wish the redrum sequencer could be extended to 4 lanes. It would not take up much space and it would improve wokflow massively.

+1 for that suggestion.

In fact, I'd just love a new device that was simply the lower section of Redrum, but showing multiple lanes at once, with gate outs to control different pads in Kong. FL Studio has always implemented this very well - it's something I miss from that DAW.

This is why I bought System 9.

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[Last Alternative]

I stopped using Redrum when Kong came out. It's awesome.

[SoundStruggler]

I like to use Kong for kicks, snares and claps since they often requires layering/mixing to sound good, and use ReDrum for other drum sounds. For hihats I may add Scream 4 with tape and for percussion just a little bit of reverb.

[selig]

Don't forget the NNXT for drums. ReFills like the Ryan Green Alt Drums uses NNXTs exclusively for their kits, as do many others I'm sure. That would probably be my approach if I were building a larger drum ReFill.

Also worth considering - a full featured ReFill may have some of each included. ReDrum for the simple kits, Kong for larger kits and synth drums, and NNXT for the larger super-layered kits (especially those needing more than 16 instruments/drums per kit).


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[bitley]

There's such a nice thing just to get a groove going with ReDrum. I really wish Kong had a sequencer on its own. The workarounds are totally OK but an internal seq on it would make it feel more "MPC", which would be lovely.

[ejanuska]

There's such a nice thing just to get a groove going with ReDrum. I really wish Kong had a sequencer on its own. The workarounds are totally OK but an internal seq on it would make it feel more "MPC", which would be lovely.

You could always use 16 Matrix sequencers and run the Gate CV outputs to the Kong Gate In. (Although possible, that's really a joke)
Or just buy Propulsion.

[bitley]

Absolutely but no I would like it to work like more like an MPC. But maybe it will when Reason becomes an iPad app. Must happen sooner or later.

[Oquasec]

Kong uses the piano roll or other sequencing modules.
Not sure how I'd go about using a kong wired to a redrum, then... routing that to the matrix.
Might have to make a combi if I get that down pat.

[ejanuska]

An example. Its great for layering drum sounds, if you're into that.

See attached.