Beyond Europa?

[dvdrtldg]

FullBucket has a (free) modular synth like that (and polyphonic to boot): https://www.fullbucket.de/music/modulair.html

Great synth, very underrated imo

[reasonosaer]

phase plant and uvi falcon are two standouts in the current generation of what I used to think of as "just use omnisphere" synths designed to be the be all end all in terms of sound quality and features. i've always enjoyed more synths that encourage you to do something different or go in a particular creative direction sound wise via interesting architectures or interfaces.

hardware examples i can think of off the top of my head are the casio cz synths, octave plateau cat series, and more recently nonlinear labs c15. reason has a bunch of good softsynths i'd put in this category like nostromo, jps harmonic, grain, saw-1, driver, revival, oberon, etc.

the only synth i currently use that's further in the "just use omnisphere" direction than europa and expanse is dune 3 by synapse. i'd also point out that between the synapse and blamsoft REs and subtractor we have a unique embarassment of va riches in reason. i'm struggling to think of any softsynths as old as subtractor that hold up as well today. there was other really good dsp around back then but not a lot, and i doubt any of it still constitutes the core ip of a going concern today the way p jubel's og code does for RS.

[Jac459]

I'd love for RS to include some well made physical modelling brass and woodwind synths.

Well said!

[iTrensharo]

I'd love for RS to include some well made physical modelling brass and woodwind synths.

Well said!

Brass and Woodwinds are both basically wind instruments. You can't easily physically model them. That's why Strings, Pluck and Percussion are usually what are physically modeled...

Violin/Cello/Viola/Bass, Pianos, Drums, Harp, etc.

It's a bit harder to "physically model" air blowing through an instrument, and it's certainly going to be a lot hard to make it sound anything near realistic. Samples are very likely to be the gold standard for those types of instruments ... for the foreseeable future.

[dvdrtldg]

Brass and Woodwinds are both basically wind instruments. You can't easily physically model them. That's why Strings, Pluck and Percussion are usually what are physically modeled...

Violin/Cello/Viola/Bass, Pianos, Drums, Harp, etc.

It's a bit harder to "physically model" air blowing through an instrument, and it's certainly going to be a lot hard to make it sound anything near realistic. Samples are very likely to be the gold standard for those types of instruments ... for the foreseeable future.

SWAM wants a word with you

[iTrensharo]

Brass and Woodwinds are both basically wind instruments. You can't easily physically model them. That's why Strings, Pluck and Percussion are usually what are physically modeled...

Violin/Cello/Viola/Bass, Pianos, Drums, Harp, etc.

It's a bit harder to "physically model" air blowing through an instrument, and it's certainly going to be a lot hard to make it sound anything near realistic. Samples are very likely to be the gold standard for those types of instruments ... for the foreseeable future.

SWAM wants a word with you

It sounds... like a synth. with robotic vibrato and pretty obviously generated note attacks, etc. This is what I'm talking about.

It's much easier to synthesize those other types of sounds. There is a reason why this area is not nearly as explored, while the other instrument types were modeled fairly decently a decade ago.

I'm not saying it won't get there, but it certainly isn't there yet. It has some of the same issues that plague mediocre sample libraries (e.g. NI's Cremona Quartet) and cause composers to avoid them.

I wouldn't buy this. I would use a sample library.

[iTrensharo]

Beyond europa for me would be a synth with more lfo's and envelopes/mseg. Europa is a great synth but wish rs added more as sometimes I run out.

It could be a europa 2 with these added and I would be very happy.

I think RS could benefit a lot from focusing on the core Sequencer and actually updating what is there.

A lot of what they have feels almost like abandonware. Once it's released, they barely ever touch it.

[dusan.cani]

Funny, I am a big fan of blamsoft, I love zero and expanse so bought vk2 but never used it much.

Maybe you should revisit this synth because it sounds really awesome

Pity that it isn't possible to sell RE licenses between users. I would buy this synth from you, immediately

[moalla]

Funny, I am a big fan of blamsoft, I love zero and expanse so bought vk2 but never used it much.

Maybe you should revisit this synth because it sounds really awesome

Pity that it isn't possible to sell RE licenses between users. I would buy this synth from you, immediately

So let us make a VK2 challenge next time, this synth needs more attention, and maybe a new video tutorial about. But I´m not so common with obs studio etc.. I think i can take the time to realize that in two weeks, especial when my desktop machine is reactivated, but I´m still in reconstructing my whole studiospace now, so it would be really nice to start this hopefully before reasonstudios relleasing the new synth

[Loque]

RS needs something with AI. At least for marketing buzz.

[DaveyG]

RS needs something with AI. At least for marketing buzz.

RAIson Studios

[Loque]

RS needs something with AI. At least for marketing buzz.

RAIson Studios

rAck Intension

Ok... Too many bad jokes...

[Quarmat]

RS needs something with AI. At least for marketing buzz.

I agree, some kind of AI mixing/mastering helper that analyzes your reference tracks and suggest you adjustments or a "murf.ai"-like singer where you can set the lyrics, chose the voice, write the melody in the sequencer and then modulate the voice timbre, intensity, articulations with MW, PB and other expression interfaces.

That would be awesome

[_andreypetr_]

[Jac459]

Maybe you should revisit this synth because it sounds really awesome

Pity that it isn't possible to sell RE licenses between users. I would buy this synth from you, immediately

OK I will try it ... again this weekend.

Now I am all about twin 3, my new favorite toy.

[Loque]

In may? Meehhh...that is ages away

[SebAudio]

The one thing missing from Reason that I’ve asked for is a truly modular synth. Like a modular cmb, or a modular page similar to Bitwig’s grid, where you can add as many oscillators , filters, lfo’s etc as your heart, mind and cpu can handle. Complex-1 is nice but sometimes you want just a few more LPG’s or a different oscillator. Imagine RS using vertical half racks but all modular on the front.

Other than that, like mentioned before, physical modeling is always welcomed. I’d also like to see the RS version of V Collection slowly become a thing(I know I’m asking a lot but I can dream ) just to start replacing the Layers REs. A RS Matrix-12 or Jupiter-8 would be some welcome additions/REs for me.

The « modular comb » is great idea that’s been mentioned here a few times.
I quite like Complex-1 as it is even if not expandable. What I’d prefer is greater sounding modules. Oscillators, wavefolders and « East coast » filter in Complex-1 are not very good, hence you wish you had several choices. You talked about jp8 : this synth is very simple, but what a great sound ! For me, in the end, it’s not having all the possibilities, but having thoughtful great sounding ones.

[Jac459]

It sounds... like a synth. with robotic vibrato and pretty obviously generated note attacks, etc. This is what I'm talking about.

It's much easier to synthesize those other types of sounds. There is a reason why this area is not nearly as explored, while the other instrument types were modeled fairly decently a decade ago.

I'm not saying it won't get there, but it certainly isn't there yet. It has some of the same issues that plague mediocre sample libraries (e.g. NI's Cremona Quartet) and cause composers to avoid them.

I wouldn't buy this. I would use a sample library.

Your tough... Sounds pretty convincing to me. And I think it demonstrate we are quite near there... So hoping that RS nailed it and managed to cover the last centimeters of reality isn't unrealistic to me...

Before Friktion, nothing was as convincing by far....

[iTrensharo]

It sounds... like a synth. with robotic vibrato and pretty obviously generated note attacks, etc. This is what I'm talking about.

It's much easier to synthesize those other types of sounds. There is a reason why this area is not nearly as explored, while the other instrument types were modeled fairly decently a decade ago.

I'm not saying it won't get there, but it certainly isn't there yet. It has some of the same issues that plague mediocre sample libraries (e.g. NI's Cremona Quartet) and cause composers to avoid them.

I wouldn't buy this. I would use a sample library.

Your tough... Sounds pretty convincing to me. And I think it demonstrate we are quite near there... So hoping that RS nailed it and managed to cover the last centimeters of reality isn't unrealistic to me...

Before Friktion, nothing was as convincing by far....

Unless it's free, tough is the only way to be.

Market is beyond saturated.

Friction was never that attractive cause I have string libraries that sound better and other synths that do physical modeling (some DAWs ship with this - Logic, Live Suite).

I would be buying it for... presets? I don't doubt its potential value, esp to those who produce in the reason sequencer.

[Jagwah]

Thanks for the discussion peeps and sorry I disappeared shortly after starting this thread, damn you guys are hilarious! : D

"Beyond Europa?"

Ganymede comes after Europa.



ref: https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/ ... /moons.cfm

[arnigretar]

On the other hand I am always surprised again what great sounds Subtractor can produce, which cannot be created by Thor or Europa

Always. Sometimes people don't need to dig deep for massive sounds 23 years old and still rocking.

[EdGrip]

There was an early software synth back around 2000, can’t remember the name. But it had a simple feature I wish more softsynths had. And that was a list of modules and an unlimited (as far as I ever found) number/combination of modules.
So you could build a 10 oscillator synth, or have 12 LFOs and only one envelope if that’s what your patch called for. You would add them “as needed” and as such you had a very clear and uncluttered interface.
It’s certainly not needed in many cases, overkill even. But I always wondered why more modern synths (or at least ONE of them) didn’t take such a fully modular and flexible approach rather than start with restrictions on the number of modules.
Or maybe there already exists such a synth and I’m out of the loop?

Traktion's Hyperion sounds like it matches this description - https://www.tracktion.com/products/hyperion

[Mataya]

There was an early software synth back around 2000, can’t remember the name. But it had a simple feature I wish more softsynths had. And that was a list of modules and an unlimited (as far as I ever found) number/combination of modules.
So you could build a 10 oscillator synth, or have 12 LFOs and only one envelope if that’s what your patch called for. You would add them “as needed” and as such you had a very clear and uncluttered interface.
It’s certainly not needed in many cases, overkill even. But I always wondered why more modern synths (or at least ONE of them) didn’t take such a fully modular and flexible approach rather than start with restrictions on the number of modules.
Or maybe there already exists such a synth and I’m out of the loop?

Traktion's Hyperion sounds like it matches this description - https://www.tracktion.com/products/hyperion

KarmaFX https://karmafx.net/products

Love that shit.

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