no need for more synths /eq/ compressors

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howtobecalm
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Post 07 Feb 2020

reason has enough stuff as stock , i think reason needs to open the world to more organic stuff , strings orchestral , sampled stuff to open rack extensions to the world , all that is in the shop is more of what we have in reason already for the most part ,

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Post 07 Feb 2020

Wouldn't a better stock sampler be needed for that?

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Post 07 Feb 2020

Hmm... I cannot follow you. I bought a lot of stuff because it was and still is NOT available in Reason.
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Post 07 Feb 2020

Loque wrote:
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Hmm... I cannot follow you. I bought a lot of stuff because it was and still is NOT available in Reason.
same for me, as much as I like Reason it's far from being enough for me

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Post 07 Feb 2020

I have to assume the OP’s point is that there’s little need to include more of those things in Reason itself, which I agree with—because of the reasons others have stated. you can now use many third party effects to fill any gaps.

but the flip side of that is that the same thing applies for the orchestral/sample-based stuff. there’s arguably just as little need for RS to include more of those kinds of devices in the stock Reason DAW/VST. you can just buy what you need from third parties.

which opens RS to a grand opportunity—and <gasp> actually focus on the user-experience, workflow, GUI, and bring the DAW up to modern standards.

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Post 07 Feb 2020

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I have to assume the OP’s point is that there’s little need to include more of those things in Reason itself, which I agree with—because of the reasons others have stated. you can now use many third party effects to fill any gaps.

but the flip side of that is that the same thing applies for the orchestral/sample-based stuff. there’s arguably just as little need for RS to include more of those kinds of devices in the stock Reason DAW/VST. you can just buy what you need from third parties.

which opens RS to a grand opportunity—and <gasp> actually focus on the user-experience, workflow, GUI, and bring the DAW up to modern standards.
maybe your right i guess in talking for myseld really as i dont want to use vst or rack extensions , i have a couple of refills and am happy apart from id like some better orchestral sounds really but then some of the patches in reason are ok so i guess ill deal with it as i dont use full orchestras anyway , , i think your right actually m8

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Post 07 Feb 2020

it all depends on what you need to make the music you have in mind, of course Reason alone can be enough to make good music, but if you need a good strings library or some good ethnic sounds then you are most likely needing some VSTi's

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Post 07 Feb 2020

howtobecalm wrote:
07 Feb 2020
guitfnky wrote:
07 Feb 2020
I have to assume the OP’s point is that there’s little need to include more of those things in Reason itself, which I agree with—because of the reasons others have stated. you can now use many third party effects to fill any gaps.

but the flip side of that is that the same thing applies for the orchestral/sample-based stuff. there’s arguably just as little need for RS to include more of those kinds of devices in the stock Reason DAW/VST. you can just buy what you need from third parties.

which opens RS to a grand opportunity—and <gasp> actually focus on the user-experience, workflow, GUI, and bring the DAW up to modern standards.
maybe your right i guess in talking for myseld really as i dont want to use vst or rack extensions , i have a couple of refills and am happy apart from id like some better orchestral sounds really but then some of the patches in reason are ok so i guess ill deal with it as i dont use full orchestras anyway , , i think your right actually m8
I wouldn’t say I’m “right”—just an opinion. :) I’m sure lots of folks would rather have more instruments than the stuff I want them to add, so you’re not alone.

out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you want to avoid Rack Extensions and VSTs?

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Post 07 Feb 2020

guitfnky wrote:
07 Feb 2020
howtobecalm wrote:
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maybe your right i guess in talking for myseld really as i dont want to use vst or rack extensions , i have a couple of refills and am happy apart from id like some better orchestral sounds really but then some of the patches in reason are ok so i guess ill deal with it as i dont use full orchestras anyway , , i think your right actually m8
I wouldn’t say I’m “right”—just an opinion. :) I’m sure lots of folks would rather have more instruments than the stuff I want them to add, so you’re not alone.

out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you want to avoid Rack Extensions and VSTs?
time/ cpu/money

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Post 07 Feb 2020

The OP's suggestion is fine, but how big should Reason be?

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Post 07 Feb 2020

Yes. I don’t really need more stock devices, but I may be in the minority. I wish RS would focus solely on upgrading the architecture of Reason. (The Rack Plug-in is technically a workflow improvement, although the inability for instances to talk to each other and the lack of multiple MIDI-out kills it for me.) There are high-quality third-party instruments and effects being offered for FREE all over the web now, so it seemed silly for me to pay $129 for a few effect devices and automation curves. I almost went for the Suite or one of the Rigs but I slapped myself out of it at the last minute. It felt like the shoe store not having the shoes you want in your size so you buy some random pair just to feel like you did something. So I’m still on v10. We’ll see what happens next time.

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Post 07 Feb 2020

Organic is not really a feature specific thing. There are too many ways to produce in reason and they have just kept adding to it.

There are tons of soundfonts and custom refills for texture
Producer/Sound Designer.

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Post 07 Feb 2020

Oquasec wrote:
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Organic is not really a feature specific thing. There are too many ways to produce in reason and they have just kept adding to it.

There are tons of soundfonts and custom refills for texture
i guess i just mean better strings

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Post 07 Feb 2020

howtobecalm wrote:
07 Feb 2020
guitfnky wrote:
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I wouldn’t say I’m “right”—just an opinion. :) I’m sure lots of folks would rather have more instruments than the stuff I want them to add, so you’re not alone.

out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you want to avoid Rack Extensions and VSTs?
time/ cpu/money
ah, gotcha. I don't use orchestral libraries too often these days, but I imagine if you want the best sounding ones, they'll cost you.

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Post 07 Feb 2020

guitfnky wrote:
07 Feb 2020
howtobecalm wrote:
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time/ cpu/money
ah, gotcha. I don't use orchestral libraries too often these days, but I imagine if you want the best sounding ones, they'll cost you.
i dont think i do use them that much either tbh ive had some cheaper orchestral libarys and ive sold them on , i prefer cinematic sounding pads although i do like a nice string section the combinators in reason sound nice , i bought some
stuff sold it and realised i dont need to be wasting money on things things just coz i want them i will only need a more faster cpu anyway , contradicting myself here a bit aint i lol 😂😂

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Post 07 Feb 2020

i have made a decision though im not gonna buy any more vsts rack extensions or refills i gave away a lot of stuff and sold stuff after thinking about it for a while and i get things done a lot faster , if i need something real bad ill use a free option so much amazing free stuff thats decent now out there tbh ,

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Post 07 Feb 2020

it’s called Gear Acquisition Syndrome, and it’s perfectly normal, no matter how contradictory your justifications for buying or your buying habits themselves may get. if you buy more orchestral libraries that your computer can’t handle, then obviously you also need to buy a new computer. 😂

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guitfnky wrote:
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it’s called Gear Acquisition Syndrome, and it’s perfectly normal, no matter how contradictory your justifications for buying or your buying habits themselves may get. if you buy more orchestral libraries that your computer can’t handle, then obviously you also need to buy a new computer. 😂
im done with GAs for now lol its an illness

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Post 07 Feb 2020

yet allmost untouched is the rythm section every genre has 20 or 30 varients worth a listen or play or copy or meld or whatever, possibly a rythmater device in the rack for our edification would be fun i find the octorex a bit limiting
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Post 10 Feb 2020

howtobecalm wrote:
07 Feb 2020
reason has enough stuff as stock , i think reason needs to open the world to more organic stuff , strings orchestral , sampled stuff to open rack extensions to the world , all that is in the shop is more of what we have in reason already for the most part ,
The only argument I could follow is “there’s not enough demand for heavy development into a top notch compressor/EQ for RE format that will sell for $100-200.” That boat has sailed, sadly for a couple companies that invested heavily in high-end tools, which were FAR outside of the range of most Reason users.

$29 and under? Develop away!

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Post 10 Feb 2020

DJMaytag wrote:
10 Feb 2020
howtobecalm wrote:
07 Feb 2020
reason has enough stuff as stock , i think reason needs to open the world to more organic stuff , strings orchestral , sampled stuff to open rack extensions to the world , all that is in the shop is more of what we have in reason already for the most part ,
The only argument I could follow is “there’s not enough demand for heavy development into a top notch compressor/EQ for RE format that will sell for $100-200.” That boat has sailed, sadly for a couple companies that invested heavily in high-end tools, which were FAR outside of the range of most Reason users.

$29 and under? Develop away!
I think if you sell something for more than 100, regardless a VST or RE, it must be uber mega hyper awesome and this is pretty impossible today. Instead of making the next new Ubersynth, a special unique thing is way better - or make it modular to expend it in future.
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Post 10 Feb 2020

$29 is the new $100. :)

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Post 10 Feb 2020

DJMaytag wrote:
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$29 is the new $100. :)
Tell that to Softube.
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Post 10 Feb 2020

MrFigg wrote:
10 Feb 2020
DJMaytag wrote:
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$29 is the new $100. :)
Tell that to Softube.
:lol:

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Post 10 Feb 2020

MrFigg wrote:
10 Feb 2020
DJMaytag wrote:
10 Feb 2020
$29 is the new $100. :)
Tell that to Softube.
I feel really bad for them having jumped onboard as early RE adopters, but they TOTALLY misjudged the market they were after. Same for some others, we made RE's that were nothing but ports of VST's to RE format, and offered NOTHING new or extra (cough cough Korg RE synths cough cough).

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