Re: Prop's CTO Magnus Berger talks about building REs, etc.
Posted: 07 Dec 2018
Can't post full rez here, they are over 1 MB - how did you post yours?
Thanks! So they're as blocky as they are on my computer - just look at the mixer! - but because you're on even higher res (it's iMac Pro, right?) this probably is less apparent. Also have a look at the browser, and compare how shart old devices are (Kong, Redrum, Dr. OctoRex) vs. how blurry Europa and Grain are. This is pretty weird
Wait - what?
Didn't you posted that on previous page? I heard you well, but I can't be bothered looking up all the thread here and on KVR, unless you insist?
It's not necessary - it just seems you and I are remembering things very differently. As far as I can recall, I've always been in agreement that we need the graphics addressed. Maybe it's because I tend to temper that by rationalizing why it's taken the back burner for so long? At any rate, I don't recall ever constantly dismissing your request. If it ever came off that way, I do apologize though!
Naaaa - nothing like that.
That may be. I might've taken wrongly your posts (+pics) of your 49'' 4K screen as negating of my "rants"EnochLight wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018It's not necessary - it just seems you and I are remembering things very differently. As far as I can recall, I've always been in agreement that we need the graphics addressed. Maybe it's because I tend to temper that by rationalizing why it's taken the back burner for so long? At any rate, I don't recall ever constantly dismissing your request.
If I zoomed in on any screen grab it’s blocky. When I look at this screen grab it looks exactly like it does on my computer, which is fine with me. I get work done, things look sharp to my old eyes. If I was editing photos I would be more likely to pixel peep screen grabs. But I work on music, so the screen needs to be focused and legible, and not fatiguing - on my Retina display it looks so good I’ve never once noticed any of the things being mentioned here.antic604 wrote:Thanks! So they're as blocky as they are on my computer - just look at the mixer! - but because you're on even higher res (it's iMac Pro, right?) this probably is less apparent. Also have a look at the browser, and compare how shart old devices are (Kong, Redrum, Dr. OctoRex) vs. how blurry Europa and Grain are. This is pretty weird
Despite the low DPI I find Reason a lot less fiddly to work in than Bitwig or Ableton on a 15 inch laptop screen. Some of the UI elements and icons in the latter two are incredibly tiny. Your screenshots only confirmed that for me.antic604 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2018Sure I do and at least 5% of my posts is about that
This is the only way I can use Reason, because even if it's incredibly blocky (compare the "acid.reason" text up top with Reason's GUI) it's still sharp, as the pixels are 2x2. The problem is everything is just too big, so I can't have too many elements on screen:
(right-click, open in separate tab & click again to have 1:1 pixel zoom - at least this works on Windows)
The alternative is this, where Windows is set to 150% scaling - the size is OK for me to work with (I've very good eyesight still), but it's BOTH blocky and blurry and I can't bare it for longer than an hour:
For reference, this is how Bitwig 2.4 looks at those exact same settings - it's a night & day different in terms of sharpness & clarity. And it's the same with Live 10 and Studio One 4:
So yeah, I have an issue with current situation
Can you post a full-res screenshot of how Reason looks for you? Ideally with a Logic Pro or even web browser open side-by-side for comparison. Because I'm afraid many that don't see the problem simply don't have a good reference to compare to?
I'd disagree here because I can comfortably use both Bitwig and Live on a touch screen (fingers, no pen) and it's nearly impossible with Reason, because a) it isn't designed for it (e.g. you can only scroll the rack grabbing the "wooden" dividers!), b) most of things are way too small. I don't have this problem in Live or Bitwig.
Graphics were a major factor in not looking at Reason as a DAW for my first four years of production. It was only after a personal workflow issue appeared in my old DAW as I tried to use MPE over hardware that I ended up giving all the other DAWs under the sun a chance. Reason was the last I tried, and only after VST support was added.EnochLight wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018Dude - the struggle is real. Don't give up. We all want proper hi-res support, trust me!
I wish but despite the fact that all Cakewalk's IP has a new owner that is relaunching the brand I still can't buy the RE2A despite asking both props and the new Cakewalk people very nicely to cooperate and sell it to me. I need some of you other latecomers who lack this essential RE to pile on and get them to put it back in the shop.
So having a high-res Reason isn't a strategic decision, while QNG is?
How many times do you need to hear that new devices are developed by a completely separate team from the low-level/engine guys?
So what are you talking about when mentioning "strategic decisions", because this:
was designed 8 and implemented 6 years ago respectively? I highly doubt the original schedule was to wait 6 years to do anything with it. That is my main point - only after the takeover by Verdane things started taking shape.botnotbot wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018As to indications: Designing, implementing, and growing an entire ecosystem that you can upgrade to hi-res with the flip of a switch and then publicly showing off that capabilities over and over again in 2018 stands as a pretty good indication that things will improve soon.
I'd rather trust the CEO when he says that they already had their entire mid-term plan in place before the deal with Verdane.
Is there another rack device that is from an RE dev and not a Refill company? I've only been using Reason for about a year, so maybe I missed it.And Props have been cooperating with 3rd party RE developers already - QNG isn't the first.
It had the exact opposite effect on me. Yes Propellerhead has dropped the ball on a few features, but it's easy to forgive when you see what kind of stuff they're busy thinking about. I found the whole talk encouraging and I see real potential down the road in some of the tech he talked about.
Well, I chose that particular device to illustrate my point. The RE isn't available anymore, along with a handful of others that have been pulled from the shop. The propellerheads still have everything necessary to rebuild / retarget that device to whatever architecture comes along in the future.two shoes wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018I wish but despite the fact that all Cakewalk's IP has a new owner that is relaunching the brand I still can't buy the RE2A despite asking both props and the new Cakewalk people very nicely to cooperate and sell it to me. I need some of you other latecomers who lack this essential RE to pile on and get them to put it back in the shop.
Yet another great reason to love the RE format.rcbuse wrote: ↑08 Dec 2018Well, I chose that particular device to illustrate my point. The RE isn't available anymore, along with a handful of others that have been pulled from the shop. The propellerheads still have everything necessary to rebuild / retarget that device to whatever architecture comes along in the future.