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dioxide
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11 Aug 2018

I'm amazed no-one has developed a RE emulation of the Roland Space Echos. Why?

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11 Aug 2018

Because the algorithm creation + RE platform + investment wasn't interesting enough for 1. people to do a port 2. new RE developers to get on the task? And what does this matter if you can load a VST? And why is The Echo not good enough? So many questions! ;)

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dioxide
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11 Aug 2018

A: VST isn't future proof like RE, support will be dropped at some point in the future. I found this a few years back when Mac OS transitioned to Intel and many VSTs didn't get updated.

A: The Echo doesn't include the Reverb.

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11 Aug 2018

Isn't the tape echo in Kong green too? What else do we need?
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12 Aug 2018

Surprised at the "we already have one (or two) devices that 'kinda' do that effect, so why do we need more?" arguments when there's like a hundred EQs and Compressors that people still get excited about.

I recently tried out AudioThing's Outer Space VST. It was pretty good.

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dioxide
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12 Aug 2018

Steedus wrote:
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I recently tried out AudioThing's Outer Space VST. It was pretty good.
Yes, it sounds great.

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13 Aug 2018

dioxide wrote:
11 Aug 2018
I'm amazed no-one has developed a RE emulation of the Roland Space Echos. Why?
Isn't propellerheads "The Echo" very similar to Roland's space echo?

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13 Aug 2018

nooomy wrote:
13 Aug 2018
dioxide wrote:
11 Aug 2018
I'm amazed no-one has developed a RE emulation of the Roland Space Echos. Why?
Isn't propellerheads "The Echo" very similar to Roland's space echo?
It is similar but lacks the Spring Reverb. The RV7000 Spring Reverb sounds very different. Softube's Tube Delay is very good also, but again lacks a reverb and other features.

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13 Aug 2018

dioxide wrote:
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nooomy wrote:
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Isn't propellerheads "The Echo" very similar to Roland's space echo?
It is similar but lacks the Spring Reverb. The RV7000 Spring Reverb sounds very different. Softube's Tube Delay is very good also, but again lacks a reverb and other features.
You tried high feedbacks, wobbling and modulation, maybe also varying speed? Maybe create an external feedback loop, to get some kind of spring or use the Break Outs?

Nevertheless...i just had listened to some audio example and i gonna play around with it ASAP...
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dioxide
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13 Aug 2018

All those things can produce nice sounding results. It's more that the Space Echo is a classic bit of gear, comparable to emulating a classic instrument. It has a certain sound and certain limitations and I'm surprised no-one has attempted an emulation in RE format. The Outer Space one is good. The reverb has a certain sound that sounds good without EQing.

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O1B
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13 Aug 2018

Amazing that the ECHO RE is the comparison to ROland's SPACE ECHO RE-201.

I'd love to hear a patch.

dioxide wrote:
13 Aug 2018
All those things can produce nice sounding results. It's more that the Space Echo is a classic bit of gear, comparable to emulating a classic instrument. It has a certain sound and certain limitations and I'm surprised no-one has attempted an emulation in RE format. The Outer Space one is good. The reverb has a certain sound that sounds good without EQing.

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13 Aug 2018

I figured the props wouldn’t want to emulate anymore Roland gear, because rebirth and Roland’s new ceo
Mayor of plucktown :evil:

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13 Aug 2018

While we’re on the subject of old echo pedals check out this baby. Blows up speakers. From experience :)
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13 Aug 2018

MrFigg wrote:
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While we’re on the subject of old echo pedals check out this baby. Blows up speakers. From experience :)
I have learned my lesson more than once when I was starting out...I love feedback loops, and it's always a safe bet to add a brick wall limiter at the end of the chain when doing experimental stuff, especially if you like dub :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8b8mk2eygo6x ... e.mp4?dl=0

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Loque
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13 Aug 2018

Modulation wise i think there are lots of possiblities with The Echo too. Here is a random rim with randomly modulated parameters as an example:
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EdGrip
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13 Aug 2018

The Echo obviously owes much visually to the Space Echo.
I have Modnetic, and it's great for dubby stuff (it has loads of convolution spring reverbs built in).

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decoder
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13 Aug 2018

I Love the Roland Space Echo!!!

I'm by no means an expert on this device, but I've always enjoyed this particular effect.
I had a Boss RE-20 for a while and thought it sounded pretty good, but I'm sure it pales in comparison with the real deal...
I've tried to emulate this with the Echo, adding reverb via the RV-7000 and I'm pretty happy with the results.

...However, If any developer comes out with a reasonably priced Space Echo clone RE, I'd probably throw my money at it ;)

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13 Aug 2018

Jiggery Pokery's Steerpike update looks like it will be good for all sorts of delay & space echo type tomfoolery. He has uploaded a couple of short demos on the new version to his Facebook page. Very cool ;)

https://www.facebook.com/JiggeryPokerySound/

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O1B
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14 Aug 2018

Thanks for the JP Steerpike reminder!
Faastwalker wrote:
13 Aug 2018
Jiggery Pokery's Steerpike update looks like it will be good for all sorts of delay & space echo type tomfoolery. He has uploaded a couple of short demos on the new version to his Facebook page. Very cool ;)

https://www.facebook.com/JiggeryPokerySound/

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14 Aug 2018

EdGrip wrote:
13 Aug 2018
The Echo obviously owes much visually to the Space Echo.
I have Modnetic, and it's great for dubby stuff (it has loads of convolution spring reverbs built in).
Thanks for the tip, I think I will demo it. I'm not in the market for VSTs but I like to see what is out there as it can inspire some Reason based goodness.

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