esselfortium wrote: miscend wrote: ↑
06 Jun 2018
Euphonic Strings is 29 bucks. They hired 11 classical musicians, engineers and a studio.
I'm not so sure. There are some clues that strongly suggest Euphonic may have been cobbled together from preexisting libraries, possibly a few different ones layered on top of each other.
There are very audible phasing artifacts on many of the samples, which wouldn't exist in authentic live recordings. The note-silde samples are very short and click at the end, as though they were intended for use as part of a Kontakt instrument's scripted legato system rather than on their own. Many of the short staccato notes have noticeably different lengths between the left and right channels, in a way that wouldn't happen if they were recorded in the same room. The website claims that they were recorded on pro equipment but has absolutely no information about what that equipment is, and there are no performers or engineers credited in the pdf manual.
Lots of speculation - remember, this thread was the result of someone showing a direct comparison between two libraries. Your observations are circumstantial at best IMO.
Playing devils advocate, because I don’t agree that your examples “strongly suggest” these are from existing libraries (will gladly eat my words if proven otherwise!).
As to your assertions, and in the spirit of fairness:
Phasing commonly comes from recordings with multiple microphones (not from unrelated recordings being combined), which can be common with orchestral recordings if you’re not extremely careful. I’ve not heard examples of this on these samples (which samples do you hear this on?), but acknowledge I’ve not spent a great deal of time with the entire library (liking mainly the spicatto samples as previously mentioned).
I found one example in the staccato samples of one channel lasting longer than the other, which on further inspection shows both channels playing all the way to the end, so the “effect” is perceived but not obvious. I could just as easily attribute this to one player of a stereo pair not playing as long as the other player (common!). This is part of an alternate sample and so it only comes up every third time or so. Again, only found one example of this (4VnDetSh1B4.wav)
I only found one example of a slight click at the end of one of the alternate samples (4VnSU4bB4.wav), which turns out was trimmed too short. They could have stolen it and faded the end and you would never have suspected anything, fwiw. Sloppy editing either way (but does’t indicate it came from an existing library), but as one of many samples one would never notice this in context IMO.
Just checked with the NI Symphony Series, looking to find the equipment and performer list, which you suggest would give credence to claims of originality. Found some microphone lists and a console mentioned, but absolutely no credit to engineers or performers, and no credit to the studio used (it just says “recorded in Budapest in a large orchestral studio with high ceilings and a beautifully controlled wet ambient sound”. You’d think they’d want to promote the actual location if they were “for real”, right?
Zampled is in Suffolk, England and has photos for folks named Zander, Anna, Dave, and Sam (their photos do not come up as stock photos or used elsewhere online) if you want to do research. Maybe someone here knows them, as they claim to be Reason users?
Please take this in the spirit of providing an alternate point of view, not as someone set on defending Zampled or claiming with 100% authority these are completely original samples.
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