POLL: Rent-A-Rack .. Have You Subscribed?
- stratatonic
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So, I am currently seeing a couple of Propellerhead ads for their RE subscription, and I am wondering if anyone here has taken advantage of the rental of REs?
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Beating a dead horse here, however the main problem Propellerhead has is their lack of ability to take overwhelming customer suggestions seriously, if at all.
The biggest issue now however is we only see a handful of people attempting to help Propellerhead in a meaningful way. This due to giving up trying, having moved on, thinking props knows better, or genuinely satisfied. Their active 'lets get involved' user base in forums pretty much are here in RT, and while posters come and go and lurkers abound as in any forum, theres simply not many of us at a time now where Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them.
I don't find the subscription worth it, I feel it undercuts the RE devs at the end of the day and adds another layer of 'stuff' for props to manage that won't help their bottom line nor customer and developer satisfaction.
Beating a dead horse here, however the main problem Propellerhead has is their lack of ability to take overwhelming customer suggestions seriously, if at all.
The biggest issue now however is we only see a handful of people attempting to help Propellerhead in a meaningful way. This due to giving up trying, having moved on, thinking props knows better, or genuinely satisfied. Their active 'lets get involved' user base in forums pretty much are here in RT, and while posters come and go and lurkers abound as in any forum, theres simply not many of us at a time now where Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them.
I don't find the subscription worth it, I feel it undercuts the RE devs at the end of the day and adds another layer of 'stuff' for props to manage that won't help their bottom line nor customer and developer satisfaction.
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What do you mean by "Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them"? I feel as tho props has more than enough ears Or feedback to improve reason. I wouldn't personally say they aren't taking feedback seriously, just not acting quick enough.Psuper wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018Beating a dead horse here, however the main problem Propellerhead has is their lack of ability to take overwhelming customer suggestions seriously, if at all.
The biggest issue now however is we only see a handful of people attempting to help Propellerhead in a meaningful way. This due to giving up trying, having moved on, thinking props knows better, or genuinely satisfied. Their active 'lets get involved' user base in forums pretty much are here in RT, and while posters come and go and lurkers abound as in any forum, theres simply not many of us at a time now where Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them.
I don't find the subscription worth it, I feel it undercuts the RE devs at the end of the day and adds another layer of 'stuff' for props to manage that won't help their bottom line nor customer and developer satisfaction.
You pretty much answered your question despite us having differing opinions on if Props are listening or taking feedback seriously. There's simply not enough of us still actively trying to help.MusicianX wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018What do you mean by "Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them"? I feel as tho props has more than enough ears Or feedback to improve reason. I wouldn't personally say they aren't taking feedback seriously, just not acting quick enough.Psuper wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018Beating a dead horse here, however the main problem Propellerhead has is their lack of ability to take overwhelming customer suggestions seriously, if at all.
The biggest issue now however is we only see a handful of people attempting to help Propellerhead in a meaningful way. This due to giving up trying, having moved on, thinking props knows better, or genuinely satisfied. Their active 'lets get involved' user base in forums pretty much are here in RT, and while posters come and go and lurkers abound as in any forum, theres simply not many of us at a time now where Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them.
I don't find the subscription worth it, I feel it undercuts the RE devs at the end of the day and adds another layer of 'stuff' for props to manage that won't help their bottom line nor customer and developer satisfaction.
Just because Propellerheads say they're listening doesn't mean anything, in fact the timelines of their actions dispute their claims undeniably -- I base my statement on years of active observation and participation. It took 6+ years of hammering Props to add native Audio in, and 12+ to add vst functionality. They destroyed their forum, and have gone virtually silent unless it involves an RE dev. Actions are everything. You can't say 12+ years after the fact of demands that you're "listening", its as misleading and disingenuous as "R10 Biggest Update Ever".
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- esselfortium
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This is a thread asking whether or not we're using subscriptions. Does it really need to be derailed into the same off-topic argument as every other thread around here lately?
I'm not using subscriptions as I already own most of the rack extensions I want. Otherwise I would probably consider it, though I'd greatly prefer a rent-to-own arrangement.
I'm not using subscriptions as I already own most of the rack extensions I want. Otherwise I would probably consider it, though I'd greatly prefer a rent-to-own arrangement.
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Psuper wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018You pretty much answered your question despite us having differing opinions on if Props are listening or taking feedback seriously. There's simply not enough of us still actively trying to help.MusicianX wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018
What do you mean by "Propellerhead could really use bigger ears and more voices talking into them"? I feel as tho props has more than enough ears Or feedback to improve reason. I wouldn't personally say they aren't taking feedback seriously, just not acting quick enough.
Just because Propellerheads say they're listening doesn't mean anything, in fact the timelines of their actions dispute their claims undeniably -- I base my statement on years of active observation and participation. It took 6+ years of hammering Props to add native Audio in, and 12+ to add vst functionality. They destroyed their forum, and have gone virtually silent unless it involves an RE dev. Actions are everything.
You make some good points. Just out of curiosity do you own any other daws?
Reaper mainly. Retired both Cakewalk and Sonar. I tried S1 but it was too much like Reaper. Considering others, just sticking with Reason for now as I always have - despite its shortcomings I've made it work the way I need it to.MusicianX wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018Psuper wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018
You pretty much answered your question despite us having differing opinions on if Props are listening or taking feedback seriously. There's simply not enough of us still actively trying to help.
Just because Propellerheads say they're listening doesn't mean anything, in fact the timelines of their actions dispute their claims undeniably -- I base my statement on years of active observation and participation. It took 6+ years of hammering Props to add native Audio in, and 12+ to add vst functionality. They destroyed their forum, and have gone virtually silent unless it involves an RE dev. Actions are everything.
You make some good points. Just out of curiosity do you own any other daws?
And there's no derailment Essel, you can certainly sing the praises of why subscriptions work as easily as I can say the reason subscriptions don't. Feel free.
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As for subscriptions I'm not using them either. I too would much rather have rent to own. For the record I wasn't arguing and I don't think psuper was either. Its just conversation.esselfortium wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018This is a thread asking whether or not we're using subscriptions. Does it really need to be derailed into the same off-topic argument as every other thread around here lately?
I'm not using subscriptions as I already own most of the rack extensions I want. Otherwise I would probably consider it, though I'd greatly prefer a rent-to-own arrangement.
I'm totally behind the idea; sure, rent to own would be…interesting, but just renting alone suits me perfectly; I'd hate for it to be most costly with "to own" added. I tried one month, and then knew I wouldn't be having any time for a while for using reason, and dropped out. But I'll be back, no doubt at the $30 level; it's a wonderful deal, IMO. Plus I've bought a few REs on sale also in the same time period. Reason's never been my main DAW or synth source, even though I've owned it since ver 1, and now I can add it ALL to my tool mix, pretty much, whenever I want for $30?!? Sweet.
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esselfortium wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018This is a thread asking whether or not we're using subscriptions. Does it really need to be derailed into the same off-topic argument as every other thread around here lately?
I'm not using subscriptions as I already own most of the rack extensions I want. Otherwise I would probably consider it, though I'd greatly prefer a rent-to-own arrangement.
jayhosking wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018esselfortium wrote: ↑10 Feb 2018This is a thread asking whether or not we're using subscriptions. Does it really need to be derailed into the same off-topic argument as every other thread around here lately?
I'm not using subscriptions as I already own most of the rack extensions I want. Otherwise I would probably consider it, though I'd greatly prefer a rent-to-own arrangement.
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- theshoemaker
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I like the idea of renting. But I'd prefer to change the devices more often if necessary. Last option missing is rent to buy, which would be the thing I'm doing, as I'm already putting money per month on the Reason-save-for-something-i-like account. But I just have to wait until the quota is reached.
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- Faastwalker
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I've little to zero interest in subscription models. But I'm surprised it's a big fat 'No' from 87% of voters. Currently it's only from 63 votes so it's hardly a conclusive sample of the way Reason users feel about this. As I said, not for me. But I thought there might have been more enthusiasm for this idea on RT. Are we not representative of the larger Reason user base?
Look like Props voted! Overnight we suddenly get 4 more "Yes. Every month ongoing".
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Reasontalk is not representative for Reason users all over the world. I'd say we are a minority. I think the rental is very good for professional work and collaboration. Where you just want to finish or work on a project without buying all the REs.Faastwalker wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018I've little to zero interest in subscription models. But I'm surprised it's a big fat 'No' from 87% of voters. Currently it's only from 63 votes so it's hardly a conclusive sample of the way Reason users feel about this. As I said, not for me. But I thought there might have been more enthusiasm for this idea on RT. Are we not representative of the larger Reason user base?
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I've been subscribing to the A-list Guitar REs for a couple of months now and I am happy with that. Most likely, I'll end up buying at least two if them sometime this year, at which point I'll change my subscription to something I think I'll buy, but find too expensive outside a sale.
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Reasontalk is the only place for Reason users to chat these days -- so yes it certainly is. And frankly most people here give Props the benefit of the doubt. Now is every Reason user "all over the world" here? No. But this is the only active Reason user forum available, and you want "active users" in an active forum for garnering relevant information. Perhaps Propellerhead doesn't put any weight on it, they destroyed their own forums. But they certainly attempt to sway public opinion here in the shadows and occasionally up front when dealing with RE devs.theshoemaker wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018Reasontalk is not representative for Reason users all over the world. I'd say we are a minority. I think the rental is very good for professional work and collaboration. Where you just want to finish or work on a project without buying all the REs.Faastwalker wrote: ↑11 Feb 2018I've little to zero interest in subscription models. But I'm surprised it's a big fat 'No' from 87% of voters. Currently it's only from 63 votes so it's hardly a conclusive sample of the way Reason users feel about this. As I said, not for me. But I thought there might have been more enthusiasm for this idea on RT. Are we not representative of the larger Reason user base?
Besides, most users here are of a more mature and experienced nature and quite helpful. Anyone can post virtually any question and get damn near immediate qualified help. So for me I keep my opinions known but open for debate and can be swayed, as I feel many users here deserve the benefit of the doubt, even if I don't feel props do.
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This is one public feedback channel. They also have facebook, twitter and email.Psuper wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018Reasontalk is the only place for Reason users to chat these days -- so yes it certainly is. And frankly most people here give Props the benefit of the doubt. Now is every Reason user "all over the world" here? No. But this is the only active Reason user forum available, and you want "active users" in an active forum for garnering relevant information. Perhaps Propellerhead doesn't put any weight on it, they destroyed their own forums. But they certainly attempt to sway public opinion here in the shadows and occasionally up front when dealing with RE devs.theshoemaker wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018
Reasontalk is not representative for Reason users all over the world. I'd say we are a minority. I think the rental is very good for professional work and collaboration. Where you just want to finish or work on a project without buying all the REs.
Besides, most users here are of a more mature and experienced nature and quite helpful. Anyone can post virtually any question and get damn near immediate qualified help. So for me I keep my opinions known but open for debate and can be swayed, as I feel many users here deserve the benefit of the doubt, even if I don't feel props do.
I'm still not convinced reasontalk is representative for the reason user base.
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Facebook and Twitter are marketing platforms, have you looked at them? Regardless, you can take the user activity from both and not even come close to the activity here. And sure they have email,everyone does.theshoemaker wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018This is one public feedback channel. They also have facebook, twitter and email.Psuper wrote: ↑12 Feb 2018
Reasontalk is the only place for Reason users to chat these days -- so yes it certainly is. And frankly most people here give Props the benefit of the doubt. Now is every Reason user "all over the world" here? No. But this is the only active Reason user forum available, and you want "active users" in an active forum for garnering relevant information. Perhaps Propellerhead doesn't put any weight on it, they destroyed their own forums. But they certainly attempt to sway public opinion here in the shadows and occasionally up front when dealing with RE devs.
Besides, most users here are of a more mature and experienced nature and quite helpful. Anyone can post virtually any question and get damn near immediate qualified help. So for me I keep my opinions known but open for debate and can be swayed, as I feel many users here deserve the benefit of the doubt, even if I don't feel props do.
I'm still not convinced reasontalk is representative for the reason user base.
For the record I'm not trying to convince you, I'm convinced and simply stating the obvious.
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I don't think I will ever subscribe to software.
Based on the recent "updates" to Reason (adding VST support and then R10), I'd say the Props clearly don't think reasontalk members are representative of their user base. If you were, then they would have given you guys more modules to enhance your CV fuckery, more aggressive rack extension support, a Thor Mark II, and a super combinator.
So now this tells me that 1) Reason will go subscription eventually, and 2) Reason Mobile is on its way.
Basically everything you guys don't want, lol.
Based on the recent "updates" to Reason (adding VST support and then R10), I'd say the Props clearly don't think reasontalk members are representative of their user base. If you were, then they would have given you guys more modules to enhance your CV fuckery, more aggressive rack extension support, a Thor Mark II, and a super combinator.
So now this tells me that 1) Reason will go subscription eventually, and 2) Reason Mobile is on its way.
Basically everything you guys don't want, lol.
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