Pulsar "Dual LFO" has only nine waveforms WTH

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10 Jan 2018

Why does this otherwise super useful device only have 9 waveforms?

Thor has 18.

Little LFO has 15.

Malstrom has 32!

Why would a device, the main purpose of which is to modulate other stuff - provide so few ways of doing so?
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mbfrancis wrote:
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Why does this otherwise super useful device only have 9 waveforms?

Thor has 18.

Little LFO has 15.

Malstrom has 32!

Why would a device, the main purpose of which is to modulate other stuff - provide so few ways of doing so?
I suppose if you modulate the LFO itself, you technically get more waveforms. You can do things such as sending LFO 2 into the phase or rate input of LFO 1.

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With the Shuffle knob and the Lag knob you can create a wide variety of waveforms.

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Meanwhile, the Panda is laughing: Shape has... over 9000 preset waveforms (not a 4chan joke) and free form drawing!

https://shop.propellerheads.se/rack-ext ... fo-editor/

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WongoTheSane wrote:
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Meanwhile, the Panda is laughing: Shape has... over 9000 preset waveforms (not a 4chan joke) and free form drawing!

https://shop.propellerheads.se/rack-ext ... fo-editor/
Or you can draw envelopes in Europa and take the envelope/lfo drawing out from CV outup in Eurpoa .

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drloop wrote:
10 Jan 2018
WongoTheSane wrote:
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Meanwhile, the Panda is laughing: Shape has... over 9000 preset waveforms (not a 4chan joke) and free form drawing!

https://shop.propellerheads.se/rack-ext ... fo-editor/
Or you can draw envelopes in Europa and take the envelope/lfo drawing out from CV outup in Eurpoa .
I think a big attraction of Grain/Europa as stock devices will be people using the excellent envelope editor for other purposes. The questions are, how best to minimise the CPU hit of using one of these devices as an envelope/LFO generator? And which of the two is most economical for this purpose?

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On the other hand, Pulsar is also a synth and can be played by MIDI notes.

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Ahornberg wrote:
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On the other hand, Pulsar is also a synth and can be played by MIDI notes.
It's a MONOSYNTH! :D


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EdGrip wrote:
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drloop wrote:
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Or you can draw envelopes in Europa and take the envelope/lfo drawing out from CV outup in Eurpoa .
I think a big attraction of Grain/Europa as stock devices will be people using the excellent envelope editor for other purposes. The questions are, how best to minimise the CPU hit of using one of these devices as an envelope/LFO generator? And which of the two is most economical for this purpose?
My guess would be Grain set to tape mode. Without a sample loaded it shouldn't, in theory, use anything. And if it does I'd imagine Tape is the most CPU efficient as it's not doing any granularising. You can use Grain to create pumping sidechain shapes really well in this way! Kong/ReDrum/whatever kick gate out to Grain gate in. Env to CV. CV to 14:2 mixer channel level input.

With that said, it'd be great if PH could release just the modulation section from Grain/Europa as a new utility device. Separate outputs for each of the 4 envelopes and 3 LFOs. Would be sick! Late Christmas present? :D

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EdGrip wrote:
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drloop wrote:
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Or you can draw envelopes in Europa and take the envelope/lfo drawing out from CV outup in Eurpoa .
I think a big attraction of Grain/Europa as stock devices will be people using the excellent envelope editor for other purposes. The questions are, how best to minimise the CPU hit of using one of these devices as an envelope/LFO generator? And which of the two is most economical for this purpose?
Just turn off every OSC and im pretty sure the performance impact is 0 or almost none like in other Props devices
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chimp_spanner wrote:
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EdGrip wrote:
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I think a big attraction of Grain/Europa as stock devices will be people using the excellent envelope editor for other purposes. The questions are, how best to minimise the CPU hit of using one of these devices as an envelope/LFO generator? And which of the two is most economical for this purpose?
My guess would be Grain set to tape mode. Without a sample loaded it shouldn't, in theory, use anything. And if it does I'd imagine Tape is the most CPU efficient as it's not doing any granularising. You can use Grain to create pumping sidechain shapes really well in this way! Kong/ReDrum/whatever kick gate out to Grain gate in. Env to CV. CV to 14:2 mixer channel level input.

With that said, it'd be great if PH could release just the modulation section from Grain/Europa as a new utility device. Separate outputs for each of the 4 envelopes and 3 LFOs. Would be sick! Late Christmas present? :D
Would like to see Parsec to pick up the Envelops ... I still love using it
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theshoemaker wrote:
10 Jan 2018
chimp_spanner wrote:
10 Jan 2018
With that said, it'd be great if PH could release just the modulation section from Grain/Europa as a new utility device. Separate outputs for each of the 4 envelopes and 3 LFOs. Would be sick! Late Christmas present? :D
Would like to see Parsec to pick up the Envelops ... I still love using it
Are there any past precedents of Props radically altering their native devices? Wouldn't that break backwards compatibility? I'm new to Reason.

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antic604 wrote:
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theshoemaker wrote:
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Would like to see Parsec to pick up the Envelops ... I still love using it
Are there any past precedents of Props radically altering their native devices? Wouldn't that break backwards compatibility? I'm new to Reason.
Yes, parsec is the best example for that. They changed how the modifiers work ... a little bit. And changed the UI. Moved parts arround. And the modifiers got an interactive display, that changed the X and Y knobs alternativly.

EDIT: They are always nonbreaking and backwarts compatible changes, so that you still can load old songs/patches with V3 that used V2/V1 ...

I think, they could do the very same with the Envelops. The basic ADSR for Env1 and Amp and the DAHDSR for Env2 are both subsets of the new Interactive . Envelops used in Grain and Europa. And if you look closely I guess the reused a lot of the Code from Parsec internally in Europa.

So in total adding Panels to Parsec v3 or 2.5 with the new Envelops/LFOs would be super awesome!
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Ahornberg wrote:
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With the Shuffle knob and the Lag knob you can create a wide variety of waveforms.
Yep, sure, but they're all variations on the same 9.
WongoTheSane wrote:
10 Jan 2018
Meanwhile, the Panda is laughing: Shape has... over 9000 preset waveforms (not a 4chan joke) and free form drawing!

https://shop.propellerheads.se/rack-ext ... fo-editor/
I will check this out, looks cool. Love the Lectric Panda's stuff.
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It's a MONOSYNTH! :D
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I want this book shown at 0:18 in the video below!


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I want this book shown at 0:18 in the video below!

Just noticed that Selig did the music in that...so good.
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mbfrancis wrote:
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Ahornberg wrote:
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I want this book shown at 0:18 in the video below!

Just noticed that Selig did the music in that...so good.
Notice also that Ryan shows the correct notes for the melody @ 0:47 - attention to detail, man!!!
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