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10 Oct 2017

Lucky for us Propellerhead company is all about good manners.

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10 Oct 2017

normen wrote:
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kimothebeatmaker wrote:
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Yeah PHs been messing up lately. Theres been alot more negative feedback from their community as of late, than I remember them ever having. They always had a very positive image and great client feedback....Idk whats changed at their admin level, but it's not good.
Lol, too obvious - nobody else talked generally about the Props - learn t be more subversive ;)

Lol, I know, I just thought I’d stir the pot since we’re complaining. Even with all of its flaws, reason still has a special place in my heart. No daw is perfect, and neither is any company. I’m still disappointed in their recent directions, but hey...just my opinion. If the consumer can’t whine, who can? :p.
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10 Oct 2017

I'm the only one here that pays like $200 a month for fiber internet for my studio, I guess?

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Yikes 200 a month?! What speed is that? It costs about 38 quid here including telephone but that's "only" about 50mbit. It's okay for most things though. It's only when I upload huuuuge projects that it takes a while and I have to go busy myself with a cup of coffee or something. Speaking of which, definitely time for coffee!

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10 Oct 2017

chimp_spanner wrote:
10 Oct 2017
Yikes 200 a month?! What speed is that? It costs about 38 quid here including telephone but that's "only" about 50mbit. It's okay for most things though. It's only when I upload huuuuge projects that it takes a while and I have to go busy myself with a cup of coffee or something. Speaking of which, definitely time for coffee!
at least 1 gb up and down at all times.

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11 Oct 2017

Bobby wrote:
10 Oct 2017
chimp_spanner wrote:
10 Oct 2017
Yikes 200 a month?! What speed is that? It costs about 38 quid here including telephone but that's "only" about 50mbit. It's okay for most things though. It's only when I upload huuuuge projects that it takes a while and I have to go busy myself with a cup of coffee or something. Speaking of which, definitely time for coffee!
at least 1 gb up and down at all times.
O_____________O k then. I’d like to know what that feels like haha

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11 Oct 2017

Online only is the norm people. I think Roland’s subscription service is also online only.

I’m not sure if it’s the same for Adobe and Autodesk?

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miscend wrote:
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Online only is the norm people. I think Roland’s subscription service is also online only.

I’m not sure if it’s the same for Adobe and Autodesk?
The Norm, hey? I'm sure you aren't against diversity but that statement could sound pretty bad to my ears in contexts other than subscription models. But I'm sure you are correct within that context. Best buck my ideas up and get a permanent internet connection, I'd hate to be outside 'the norm' XD

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11 Oct 2017

Zac wrote:
11 Oct 2017
miscend wrote:
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Online only is the norm people. I think Roland’s subscription service is also online only.

I’m not sure if it’s the same for Adobe and Autodesk?
The Norm, hey? I'm sure you aren't against diversity but that statement could sound pretty bad to my ears in contexts other than subscription models. But I'm sure you are correct within that context. Best buck my ideas up and get a permanent internet connection, I'd hate to be outside 'the norm' XD
People with enough money who could afford a very good computer or very good laptop, good enough phone, high speed connection, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and making music on multiple music apps, one of which costs $399. That's my context. Diversity in gear :geek:
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What kind of alien device isn't connected to the internet?
Every single one of my devices, by default.

The internet has viruses and spyware and buggy windows updates. No need for that stuff on my main production machine. The only time my studio computer has ever touched the internet is when I first installed the OS/drivers and then when I needed to download Reason updates/RE's.

If i need to download something outside of www.Propellerheads.se, I do so on a non-critical laptop, then transfer files over (after thoroughly scanning/testing).

Hell, I only just upgraded from Windows XP for my main production machine a few months ago (maybe a year by now). The only reason I upgraded to a new machine with Win 7 was because new versions of Arturia and Reason didn't support XP. That computer still did everything I threw at it. And it's still chugging along as my backup machine. But I sure as hell didn't let it touch the internet since at least 2014 when support ended.

So yeah, if the subscription is online only then you can definitely count me out.

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sublunar wrote:
11 Oct 2017
Exowildebeest wrote:
09 Oct 2017
What kind of alien device isn't connected to the internet?
Every single one of my devices, by default.

The internet has viruses and spyware and buggy windows updates. No need for that stuff on my main production machine. The only time my studio computer has ever touched the internet is when I first installed the OS/drivers and then when I needed to download Reason updates/RE's.

If i need to download something outside of www.Propellerheads.se, I do so on a non-critical laptop, then transfer files over (after thoroughly scanning/testing).

Hell, I only just upgraded from Windows XP for my main production machine a few months ago (maybe a year by now). The only reason I upgraded to a new machine with Win 7 was because new versions of Arturia and Reason didn't support XP. That computer still did everything I threw at it. And it's still chugging along as my backup machine. But I sure as hell didn't let it touch the internet since at least 2014 when support ended.

So yeah, if the subscription is online only then you can definitely count me out.
I'm pretty sure they are counting Windows XP users out, mate. ::checks calendar:: It's almost 2018.

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Bobby wrote:
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I'm pretty sure they are counting Windows XP users out, mate. ::checks calendar:: It's almost 2018.
Yep, I had to upgrade to Win 7 in order to use version 8 a while back. Which is fine because I built a new computer at the time anyway. My XP machine spent 10 years as my main production machine and it served me well. Still works great but only gets use as backup duties now.

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sublunar wrote:
11 Oct 2017
Bobby wrote:
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I'm pretty sure they are counting Windows XP users out, mate. ::checks calendar:: It's almost 2018.
Yep, I had to upgrade to Win 7 in order to use version 8 a while back. Which is fine because I built a new computer at the time anyway. My XP machine spent 10 years as my main production machine and it served me well. Still works great but only gets use as backup duties now.
So how do you get your music from your machine to like...people?

Do you burn CDs (and mail them?)?

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11 Oct 2017

Bobby wrote:
11 Oct 2017
sublunar wrote:
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Yep, I had to upgrade to Win 7 in order to use version 8 a while back. Which is fine because I built a new computer at the time anyway. My XP machine spent 10 years as my main production machine and it served me well. Still works great but only gets use as backup duties now.
So how do you get your music from your machine to like...people?

Do you burn CDs (and mail them?)?
I am by no means an expert, but could he possibly put it on his thumb drive and transfer it to a laptop thats connected to the internet? Crazy, I know....but just a wild guess.
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11 Oct 2017

kimothebeatmaker wrote:
11 Oct 2017
Bobby wrote:
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So how do you get your music from your machine to like...people?

Do you burn CDs (and mail them?)?
I am by no means an expert, but could he possibly put it on his thumb drive and transfer it to a laptop thats connected to the internet? Crazy, I know....but just a wild guess.
Yep, I transfer projects and files via my USB drive pretty much on a daily basis unless I haven't made any changes that need transferring. My critical machines basically never touch the internet.

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11 Oct 2017

bxbrkrz wrote:
11 Oct 2017
Zac wrote:
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The Norm, hey? I'm sure you aren't against diversity but that statement could sound pretty bad to my ears in contexts other than subscription models. But I'm sure you are correct within that context. Best buck my ideas up and get a permanent internet connection, I'd hate to be outside 'the norm' XD
People with enough money who could afford a very good computer or very good laptop, good enough phone, high speed connection, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and making music on multiple music apps, one of which costs $399. That's my context. Diversity in gear :geek:
I really don't know what to say to that. Enjoy your bubble.

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11 Oct 2017

Zac wrote:
11 Oct 2017
bxbrkrz wrote:
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People with enough money who could afford a very good computer or very good laptop, good enough phone, high speed connection, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and making music on multiple music apps, one of which costs $399. That's my context. Diversity in gear :geek:
I really don't know what to say to that. Enjoy your bubble.
I forget this all the time. I am in a bubble when I don't have to save for food as a priority. Making music is not something vital for the rest of the world, it is easy to forget how lucky I am when I share my opinion about the pros and cons of an online subscription model. I enjoy the life I have, not much, but lots of people wish they could have my bubble. My remark wasn't targeting you, just a realization how lucky I am. I apologize if you do not have the problem I have.
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12 Oct 2017

sublunar wrote:
11 Oct 2017
kimothebeatmaker wrote:
11 Oct 2017


I am by no means an expert, but could he possibly put it on his thumb drive and transfer it to a laptop thats connected to the internet? Crazy, I know....but just a wild guess.
Yep, I transfer projects and files via my USB drive pretty much on a daily basis unless I haven't made any changes that need transferring. My critical machines basically never touch the internet.
Yep, that’s what I was taught in school. Never have your computer hooked up to the net, and always back up your stuff. Do I listen? Lol well........
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I mean. My laptop is my only computer. I use it for music, a bit of gaming, social stuff, internet, etc. So far...no problems. I usually have like half a dozen tabs open on a second screen while I'm writing haha. So I think the dangers of using the internet on a work computer are somewhat overstated. Plus I don't download anything so there's that too. I just stream off Netflix and check my emails. That's about it.

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Gotta interject. The likelihood of your computer getting hacked simply by being connected to a private internet connection is pretty slim. Yes, even on Windows. The idea that a production computer shouldn't be connected to the internet is an ancient idea from back when software was still primarily installed with cds. Nowadays with firewalls and basic antivirus you're only in danger by going to bad sites or being tricked by false email addresses.

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QVprod wrote:
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Gotta interject. The likelihood of your computer getting hacked simply by being connected to a private internet connection is pretty slim. Yes, even on Windows. The idea that a production computer shouldn't be connected to the internet is an ancient idea from back when software was still primarily installed with cds. Nowadays with firewalls and basic antivirus you're only in danger by going to bad sites or being tricked by false email addresses.
So should I redeem my million dollars from a Nigerian prince who is distantly related and left me his fortune? I better jump on that
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chimp_spanner wrote:
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Bobby wrote:
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at least 1 gb up and down at all times.
O_____________O k then. I’d like to know what that feels like haha
It's so fast, downloads complete before you even start them.
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I forget this all the time. I am in a bubble when I don't have to save for food as a priority. Making music is not something vital for the rest of the world, it is easy to forget how lucky I am when I share my opinion about the pros and cons of an online subscription model. I enjoy the life I have, not much, but lots of people wish they could have my bubble. My remark wasn't targeting you, just a realization how lucky I am. I apologize if you do not have the problem I have.
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Totally relate. I too am a lucky man.
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QVprod wrote:
12 Oct 2017
Gotta interject. The likelihood of your computer getting hacked simply by being connected to a private internet connection is pretty slim. Yes, even on Windows. The idea that a production computer shouldn't be connected to the internet is an ancient idea from back when software was still primarily installed with cds. Nowadays with firewalls and basic antivirus you're only in danger by going to bad sites or being tricked by false email addresses.
I don't care what other people do or think. I don't let my production machine touch the internet. Not just for distant threats like hacking and viruses but also buggy updates* that I don't need. There's literally no reason my machine needs to be on the internet. When I'm in my studio working on music, the internet is the last distraction I need. My laptop, however, is on the front lines. I work on the same music projects on it when I'm far from home but I also download updates and whatever else I need on it. My laptop tests everything before it goes back to my main machine. It's all very methodical. I also practice regular offsite backups to an encrypted drive. I'm very careful with my data because I choose to be not because of some "ancient ideas" other people heard from a cousin who knows a guy who works on computers. I'm in IT and I know what I'm doing.

*I had a Windows update a while back totally screwed up the audio and it was hell getting to the bottom of it. IIRC, it was something in SP3. I wiped and reloaded and stayed with SP2 for the next decade. And that computer is still chugging along now, but now it's my backup/file storage machine.

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scratchnsnifff wrote:
12 Oct 2017
QVprod wrote:
12 Oct 2017
Gotta interject. The likelihood of your computer getting hacked simply by being connected to a private internet connection is pretty slim. Yes, even on Windows. The idea that a production computer shouldn't be connected to the internet is an ancient idea from back when software was still primarily installed with cds. Nowadays with firewalls and basic antivirus you're only in danger by going to bad sites or being tricked by false email addresses.
So should I redeem my million dollars from a Nigerian prince who is distantly related and left me his fortune? I better jump on that
By all means go get your inheritance :p

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