Looking for two specific REs

[Viscor]

Hello everybody,

I am looking for two Rack Extensions which I am not sure if they already exist in the Prop's Shop.
The first one is a CV generator that allows you to draw in CV values.

It should look something like this:


The second one is a simple volume controller. Literally just one knob that allows you to control the volume of the incoming audio signal.

I am not so sure about Reason's Line Mixers since their volume controls have only values between 0 and 127, which might create a staircase effect, but I really want to have a smooth control over my volumes.

If they don't exist, mabye one of the developers has some spare time and really wants my money.

[submonsterz]

hmmm matrix using curve ??
and hmmm seligs gain re ??

[Olivier]

I'd take a look at :
the 8x4 CV Generator (free) https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... generator/
Or the Volt SL-1 https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/volt-sl-1/

The volume controller indeed: Selig gain. Easy. https://shop.propellerheads.se/browse/?q=Selig+Gain

[Exowildebeest]

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... fo-editor/

This is made for drawing CV.

[Jagwah]

The Line Mixer doesn't have stepped (staircase) curves, it's perfectly smooth.

[challism]

Shape LFO might be your best bet.
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... fo-editor/

CV Mutant allows you to draw in your own CV curves. It isn't free drawing, though. You turn the knob and assign the number of stages, then click the points and drag them tot he values you want, then you can tweak/bend the lines connecting the points. It's a great little device, and can be used very creatively to mutate incoming signals into new and interesting outgoing signals. May not be a fit for what you are asking, though.
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/cv-mutant/

Synchronous also allows you to create your own custom curves. Again, not free drawing though, you have to use the shapes they give you and scale them to fit, but still very useful and doable.
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/synchronous/

Zvork's synth Oberon also allows you to draw in your own curves (and then route the signal out via LFO1 & 2 outs). This is an expensive option if you only used it for a custom EG, but it's a really great synth, with a ton of bells and whistles.
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... nthesizer/


I will echo what others said about Selig Gain. Great device, and a no-brainer for what you are asking. Or use the Line Mixer.

[Viscor]

Thank you for your responses!

Actually I am looking for something that outputs multiple constant CV signals with the possibility to draw in values for each CV output. Not a CV sequencer like the Matrix Pattern Sequencer etc. (Sorry, probably I was not clear enough. )
I even tried to create a huge work around with the Matrix Pattern Sequencer, but it didn't quite work out as I wanted to.

The 8x4 CV Generator is not 100 % what I was looking for, but still usable for me. The fact that it is free convinced me.

Moreover I was looking into Selig Gain, but it seems a bit like overkill for my needs with all its features and therefore also a bit expensive.
However, since I really like Selig's REs and it is probably my only option I will buy it.

The Line Mixer doesn't have stepped (staircase) curves, it's perfectly smooth.

Unfortunately that's not true.

http://abload.de/img/stairswoua6.png
Here is a waveform from a volume automation I have created with the Line Mixer 6:2 Mixer. (0 - 127)

http://abload.de/img/no-stairshqudy.png
And here the waveform from a volume automation I have created with Reason's SSL Mixer Channel. (0 - 1000)

Now someone may argue that no one will hear a difference (which I totally agree with), but it really bugs me since I know it's there.
Actually I would prefer to use the Mixer Channels for volume automations, but it cripples my workflow too much.

[Jagwah]

Unfortunately that's not true.

Firstly, thanks for reminding me I shouldn't just jump in with my opinion when I'm not certain of what I'm talking about.

Automating faders on the SSL is bad practise in my opinion, I always keep them free for the mix down stage. What I do when any manual level riding is needed is put a line mixer at the very end of the bus that needs it.

Maybe put the technical aspect aside, create a sine wave with a line mixer and automate it all over the place and just listen, it could save you some money and of course DSP. Good luck regardless

[challism]

What about using the 14:2 mixer? It offers smooth volume adjustments, doesn't it?

[selig]

Unfortunately that's not true.

Firstly, thanks for reminding me I shouldn't just jump in with my opinion when I'm not certain of what I'm talking about.

Automating faders on the SSL is bad practise in my opinion, I always keep them free for the mix down stage. What I do when any manual level riding is needed is put a line mixer at the very end of the bus that needs it.

That only works when your insert is the last thing in the signal path, not when you have any dynamic device following the insert - and when you are not using pre fader sends (which isn't very common of course). FWIW, I automate faders all the time and don't consider it bad practice - but it would make things MUCH easier if you could simply trim the faders like EVERY other automation system in existence…

Maybe put the technical aspect aside, create a sine wave with a line mixer and automate it all over the place and just listen, it could save you some money and of course DSP. Good luck regardless

FWIW, in the real world I've not ever heard any issues automating any parameters in Reason. The only issue I've struggled with is the non-decibel values of the SSL Fader and the aforementioned lack of trim mode.

[Viscor]

I did some testing by creating a 2kHz sine wave and drawing a 4 minutes long automation curve.
Reason's sample rate was 44.1kHz and the samples were exported at 44.1kHz 24 Bit.

Line 6:2
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_6_27zuih.jpg
Mixer 14:2
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_14_3oup0.jpg
Alligator
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_all6ou07.jpg
Malström
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_mals2u8o.jpg
Thor (controlling input level per rotary). Not perfect, but pretty smooth.
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_tho5kuni.jpg

No staircase with REs.
Audiomatic RE
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_audq9uhs.jpg
Quadelectra Stereo Splitter RE
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_quanru4i.jpg
Synchronus RE
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_synxhuph.jpg

[submonsterz]

Thank you for your responses!

Actually I am looking for something that outputs multiple constant CV signals with the possibility to draw in values for each CV output. Not a CV sequencer like the Matrix Pattern Sequencer etc. (Sorry, probably I was not clear enough. )
I even tried to create a huge work around with the Matrix Pattern Sequencer, but it didn't quite work out as I wanted to.

I use matrix works great for constant cv using curve out and bipolar and steps set to one and play enabled . works for me . only thing is if you wanted more than one signal you have to just use a new matrix for every new constant you want also you cannot automate the curve line in matrix either.
you can however make a shed load of them in the combi and automate the patterns and use a different setting in each pattern good for random set values with a few on the dials of combi at odd settings .

[Jagwah]

I did some testing by creating a 2kHz sine wave and drawing a 4 minutes long automation curve.
Reason's sample rate was 44.1kHz and the samples were exported at 44.1kHz 24 Bit.

Line 6:2
http://abload.de/img/volume_automation_6_27zuih.jpg

As someone who uses the Line 6:2 a lot at the end of busses, how bad actually is this stepped curve, surely it's not noticeable to our ears - just something that's noticeable when zoomed in visually or when automating to extreme and uncommon lengths to the power of one integer?