New Rack Extension EQ with custom display coming?

[EnochLight]

I saw this posted over at the Rack Extensionists FB group:

 

Could this possibly be an SDK 2.0 follow-up to Lab One's ReQ131?


 

[devilfish]

yes!

We have waited long enough!

[Tincture]

I hope so, I'd use it a LOT more, it's fiddly as is.

[Emian]

I saw this posted over at the Rack Extensionists FB group:

 

Could this possibly be an SDK 2.0 follow-up to Lab One's ReQ131?


 

 
lol i asked the same thing on FB i sure hope its an REQ131 update !!!! "excited"

[normen]

I hope so, I'd use it a LOT more, it's fiddly as is.

How is it more "fiddly" than the thing its supposed to emulate?

[Tincture]

I hope so, I'd use it a LOT more, it's fiddly as is.

How is it more "fiddly" than the thing its supposed to emulate?

If I had a Graphic EQ in front of me I'm sure my fingers could make small adjustments easily without accessing the wrong slider. Also, if I wanted to make curves I could use my fingers in a different manner.

I just find as it is I'm doing a LOT of clicking to get what I want. Maybe I'm just special

[gak]

Controlling that thing with a mouse must be a total mess.....

[joeyluck]

Controlling that thing with a mouse must be a total mess.....

Actually the custom display should make it easy. As you should be able to click and drag to 'draw.'

But it does look a bit busy...

[normen]

If I had a Graphic EQ in front of me I'm sure my fingers could make small adjustments easily without accessing the wrong slider. Also, if I wanted to make curves I could use my fingers in a different manner.

I just find as it is I'm doing a LOT of clicking to get what I want. Maybe I'm just special

Mh, I find real graphic EQs notoriously inconvenient as well I have to say, true with the curves though.

[gak]

One thing about true "31 band graphic eq's" that was invaluable in the old days was for feedback control. I'm not sure I've ever really gotten them to give desirable results in the daw stage (I couldn't sell the GEQ waves fast enough, the only waves product that I've ever considered absolutely useless)

But that said, with the update this is looking to receive does look really cool.

[normen]

One thing about true "31 band graphic eq's" that was invaluable in the old days was for feedback control. I'm not sure I've ever really gotten them to give desirable results in the daw stage (I couldn't sell the GEQ waves fast enough, the only waves product that I've ever considered absolutely useless)

But that said, with the update this is looking to receive does look really cool.

You'd use them for EQing PA systems as well as for monitors, yeah. For a DAW where you can open an unlimited amount of parametric EQs I don't see the point of a 31band at all..

[devilfish]

One thing about true "31 band graphic eq's" that was invaluable in the old days was for feedback control. I'm not sure I've ever really gotten them to give desirable results in the daw stage (I couldn't sell the GEQ waves fast enough, the only waves product that I've ever considered absolutely useless)

But that said, with the update this is looking to receive does look really cool.

You'd use them for EQing PA systems as well as for monitors, yeah. For a DAW where you can open an unlimited amount of parametric EQs I don't see the point of a 31band at all..

Why should i do something with 4-10 parametric EQs, when i can do it with one 31 Band EQ???
Please tell me ??

[selig]

One thing about true "31 band graphic eq's" that was invaluable in the old days was for feedback control. I'm not sure I've ever really gotten them to give desirable results in the daw stage (I couldn't sell the GEQ waves fast enough, the only waves product that I've ever considered absolutely useless)

But that said, with the update this is looking to receive does look really cool.

You'd use them for EQing PA systems as well as for monitors, yeah. For a DAW where you can open an unlimited amount of parametric EQs I don't see the point of a 31band at all..

Why should i do something with 4-10 parametric EQs, when i can do it with one 31 Band EQ??? Please tell me ??

Because you can't do the same thing with a parametric you can with a graphic (that's why they have both been around for years now). For one thing, there are gentle boosts/cuts that can easily be done with one band of parametric EQ, but would take many bands of graphic EQ (each with it's own phase shift, FWIW). There are also narrow cuts/boosts that cannot be done with a parametric, giving another vote to the parametric EQ solution. 

With a parametric's versatility I have to wonder why anyone would use 4-10 parametric EQs on a single source, but to each their own…

[normen]

Why should i do something with 4-10 parametric EQs, when i can do it with one 31 Band EQ??? Please tell me ??

I didn't say you should do anything.

[Tincture]

One thing that has always bemused me about these two (Red Rock's incl.) is that people assume that because there are 30 or so bands, they are very narrow Q cuts! It's such nonsense. If people were to look at the breadth of one -12db cut I think they'd be very surprised! Precise and "parametric" they ain't

The day that one of these can more precisely do the job of "4-10 Parametric EQs" I'll be taking a much closer look!!!! Don't get me wrong; I have and like REQ131; but use it where it's best suited (love its mid/side modes)... and if it gets easier to use... whoa!

[normen]

One thing that has always bemused me about these two (Red Rock's incl.) is that people assume that because there are 30 or so bands, they are very narrow Q cuts! It's such nonsense. If people were to look at the breadth of one -12db cut I think they'd be very surprised! Precise and "parametric" they ain't

The day that one of these can more precisely do the job of "4-10 Parametric EQs" I'll be taking a much closer look!!!! Don't get me wrong; I have and like REQ131; but use it where it's best suited (love its mid/side modes)... and if it gets easier to use... whoa!

In german these are called "Terzband EQ" which means "3rd(interval)-band EQ", making it much clearer what the Q factor of the single bands is Btw, you can get more narrow cuts/boosts in a graphic when you move the knobs right next to the cut/boost in the other direction.

[Tincture]

Interesting that... the raising of the sliders either side to narrow the Q It's nice that we can 'see' these things these days Oh to have those ears.

[Jagwah]

I love the dry / wet knob on REQ-131, makes for an awesome effect in many different situations.

[EnochLight]

 For a DAW where you can open an unlimited amount of parametric EQs I don't see the point of a 31band at all..

 

Why should i do something with 4-10 parametric EQs, when i can do it with one 31 Band EQ??? Please tell me ??

I didn't say you should do anything.

Normen, I can see how with your earlier statement that you seemed to suggest using an unlimited amount of parametric EQ's [instead of a single 31 band] was a solution.  Or did you mean something else?

[normen]

Normen, I can see how with your earlier statement that you seemed to suggest using an unlimited amount of parametric EQ's [instead of a single 31 band] was a solution.  Or did you mean something else?

I didn't say anything about what "devilfish" should do though. As for me, yes, I never, ever used a Graphic EQ in a DAW (or more than 3 parametric ones). If anything "devilfish" should explain something to me afaics.

[EnochLight]

I didn't say anything about what "devilfish" should do though. 

My point being, it (you suggesting using multiple parametric eq's instead of a graphical eq) can be interpreted as being one and the same (saying anyone, hypothetically can/should do this).  Regardless, no worries.  It's clear that much gets lost in translation.  

As for me, yes, I never, ever used a Graphic EQ in a DAW (or more than 3 parametric ones). If anything "devilfish" should explain something to me afaics.

I can't speak for devilfish, but think of the graphic EQ mode in Propellerhead's own BV512.  It just another way to approach equalization, even if it's just for creative effect purposes.  

[selig]

Normen, I can see how with your earlier statement that you seemed to suggest using an unlimited amount of parametric EQ's [instead of a single 31 band] was a solution.  Or did you mean something else?

Isn't it clear what he meant, especially since it would be LITERALLY impossible to ever use an UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF PARAMETRIC EQ?  Not sure how anyone could take his statement literally…

[normen]

My point being, it (you suggesting using multiple parametric eq's instead of a graphical eq) can be interpreted as being one and the same (saying anyone, hypothetically can/should do this).  Regardless, no worries.  It's clear that much gets lost in translation.  

Its basically what I said but only regarding me. And yes, anyone CAN do this. And it IS the same, sans the additional phase shift from all the sequential EQ stages in the graphic EQ (as Giles indicated).

I can't think of many applications where one wouldn't be able to do the same with a parametric EQ and NONE when you have an unlimited amount of parametric EQs, especially as you'll never need 31 parametric EQs to do something you'd do with the 31 sliders of a graphic one. (Sure you could make a theoretic setting in a graphic where you'd actually need 31 parametrics but thats the point where the usefulness of that would have to be explained to ME instead )

When I'm asked (with three question marks) why somebody in particular SHOULD do this my answer is "I didn't say you should do anything".

I can't speak for devilfish, but think of the graphic EQ mode in Propellerhead's own BV512.  It just another way to approach equalization, even if it's just for creative effect purposes.

Exactly, its just another way to approach it, not something where a graphic EQ is actually the only solution.

[submonsterz]

Whats an EQ?

[EnochLight]

Whats an EQ?

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