Newtrols in the shop
Posted: 28 Jan 2015
It would be nice if those of us that bought the ModPanel(I bought mine just 2 weeks ago), could pay the difference to switch the license to the Newtrol...I doubt PH could get this into action though.pathammy wrote:$10 more, though?? Seems kinda steep for just a different color...
pathammy wrote:$10 more, though?? Seems kinda steep for just a different color...
From my understanding, developers have control over that by being able to offer you coupon codes.Grinder One wrote: It would be nice if those of us that bought the ModPanel(I bought mine just 2 weeks ago), could pay the difference to switch the license to the Newtrol...I doubt PH could get this into action though.
Mart.
I can understand the price difference though... People wanted the developer to put in extra work to give them something they wanted, but that the developer didn't feel was necessary. So, you pay for that preference. Otherwise, the others remain the same price...pathammy wrote:$10 more, though?? Seems kinda steep for just a different color...
pathammy wrote:$10 more, though?? Seems kinda steep for just a different color...
Grinder One wrote: It would be nice if those of us that bought the ModPanel(I bought mine just 2 weeks ago), could pay the difference to switch the license to the Newtrol...I doubt PH could get this into action though.
Mart.
I can surely understand this sentiment. I have previously made a number of functional updates to my earlier devices, relased as free updates for existing users and no change in price for new customers. And to tell the truth, none of my devices bring any bags of income; I create things mainly for my own needs and for the satisfaction of providing others with tools at a reasonable price. If you check the prices of my older RE's, and especially the bundles (which BTW I always announce at the same time as the release of the devices included), you will find they are the lowest possible.childofsaturn wrote:I was planning on picking up the black version until he decided to charge $10 more for a color change. A small graphical change such as that should require no difference in price. I've seen plenty of changes/improvements to other REs without it affecting the price. It just comes across as bitterness toward the community for not sharing his opinion in design aesthetics. I'm sad to say that Hamu is on my "no buy" list.
Thank you Mart.Grinder One wrote:Don't get me wrong Hákan, my post wasn't a complaint...it was just a thought that went through my head after reading pathammy's post. I knew the Newtrol was coming when I opted to buy the ModPanel...I could have waited but, I was so impressed with the ModPanel and even more at the price of the bundle, I decided to snatch it up quickly incase it was an error
My favourite part of the ModPanel is the faders because, now I can actually shape envelopes using the correct method, rotaries just don't feel right for envelopes IMO. A great RE whatever the colour. Thanks...
Mart.
Thank you for your kind words, Jagwah.Jagwah wrote:I really like my ModPanels and I agree Hamu's prices are excellent and if you are in to CV his devices are invaluable.
I am super surprised though to see this nice new black version in the shop, that I can't simply 'upgrade' to. The only way for me to do this is to buy them outright and make my three purple ModPanels totally redundant.
I understand Hamu's position but I honestly think more money could have been made by offering a simple upgrade path to these devices, I would have paid a few dollars to upgrade to the black colour, absolutely would have.
The purple doesn't bother me at all when I'm working away, so I'll just forget about it.
These are all good points Despondo, and to some extent I regret giving in to the call for a more neutral design. Anyway, done is done...Despondo wrote:I, for one, have a problem with the release of identical devices with simply a colour change as the difference. This leads to fracturing of being able to share patches using the devices. I own all of hamu's devices up to this point, with the exception of these three new ones. What happens if someone shares a patch using these new devices? Will I be able to load them if I only own the older devices, even if they are functionally identical? I wish hamu didn't give into the 'purple haters' and would have stuck to his guns. I'm also surprised that the Props allowed this to pass inspection.
They are almost the same, except for the amount of controls. The '16 however is missing the MIDI performance outputs, which I myself use frequently. I tend to use the '12 a lot, even though my BFC2000 has only 8 'channels', placing my separate instrument and FX controls in the first 8 channels and leaving the last four to common settings like slew rates, mixing, tempo and other 'global' selections...Faastwalker wrote:These look much better in black I must say. Not sure about the higher price for exactly the same device in a different colour. But I understand how you came to this & these were ridiculously affordable to start with & still represent amazing value. I feel though that I'd only need one of these. The bundle seems like a no brainer at the price. But why do I need all three? Do they all do the same just with different amounts of controls?
...and look where you got me! :s0106:Goan wrote:Hamu thanks for doing this, i was the one who started the PUF "can't stand purple" thread. As promised i'm gonna buy one of the newtrols
pathammy wrote:$10 more, though?? Seems kinda steep for just a different color...
Grinder One wrote: It would be nice if those of us that bought the ModPanel(I bought mine just 2 weeks ago), could pay the difference to switch the license to the Newtrol...I doubt PH could get this into action though.
Mart.
hamu wrote:
childofsaturn wrote:I was planning on picking up the black version until he decided to charge $10 more for a color change. A small graphical change such as that should require no difference in price. I've seen plenty of changes/improvements to other REs without it affecting the price. It just comes across as bitterness toward the community for not sharing his opinion in design aesthetics. I'm sad to say that Hamu is on my "no buy" list.
I absolutely applaud your initiative here, it may even quell some of the future whining about the aesthetics that Devs use for their products. If folk want to moan about fantastic and usable devices that have great and workable UI's just because they don't like the 'wallpaper' then make 'em pay.hamu wrote:
I can surely understand this sentiment. I have previously made a number of functional updates to my earlier devices, relased as free updates for existing users and no change in price for new customers. And to tell the truth, none of my devices bring any bags of income; I create things mainly for my own needs and for the satisfaction of providing others with tools at a reasonable price. If you check the prices of my older RE's, and especially the bundles (which BTW I always announce at the same time as the release of the devices included), you will find they are the lowest possible.
However, this new black design was requested by people who couldn't accept the purple design, and I had no interest in doing it other than to meet these wishes from people who would "never even consider getting any RE with that purple color". Even at this price level, I can assure you that I don't expect to get more than one or two $ per hour spent on this, to me, useless work. I give you what you want, I'm "selling my soul" if you like, but I will at least try to get something back from it. Alright, you may call this bitterness, but if I had never even considered providing these black Newtrols, you'd probably not have had any opinion about it my arrogant attitude, ignoring such a simple design update.
I also have to consider those customers who paid for the purple devices, like Mart, only to find they want to change for the new design. To me it would seem unfair to those loyal, early customers if I kept the same price level.
About coupons, yes it's possible, but it would almost be cheaper for me to give the new devices away than handing out coupons. And there's a limit to haw much you can give away...
Anyway...
Let's be happy for the choice! If the colour is important to you, forget about the old cheap, purple, discomforting devices. Look att what the Newtrols bring you for their price tags. And the bundle with all three will be only €29/$35 - consider what you get for the money, compare to other devs, evaluate if they would be useful to you. They are there, waiting for you.
If you find the Newtrols useful, and price worthy, then - and only then - consider if a lousy $10 would encourage you to go purple?
And why not join the patch contest and win a black control panel!
I'm happy as long as you're happy!
(And if you're not, well, I'm sorry...)