Bavanity wrote:best solution here is selig gain RE.. seriously i know it's not free but it's worth every cent and then some.. it's worth having even to finally have more standard pan laws in reason, and the instant real time peak display numerically
I use it for all my gain staging now after sat knob and before and after some other plugins.. works great
Last Alternative wrote:
I have the Selig Gain and use it sometimes but my point was it's ridiculous to use an RE to correct the problem of an RE. All over a knob that should've been there in the first place.
And I do use the Gain to balance out the Saturation if I have to but usually the Scream is my go-to for saturation. Tape 499 is my favorite preset.
selig wrote:
Hey, while I'd love everyone to go out and get Selig Gain, I totally agree it's pretty ridiculous not to have input and output controls on saturation/distortion devices. Before Selig Gain I used a Line Mixer for this job.
Guitar players learned that YEARS ago when amps started adding a master volume (output level) in addition to the input level. ART didn't even have this feature initially (during beta), but thankfully it was added before release. As others have pointed out, it's not like there's no room to add another knob on this device!!!
In an ideal world, every plugin no matter what type, would have input and output knobs on it (including level meters) for total control over the gain staging process.
It's just one of those things that's never going to happen, and I can also assure you that softube won't change their sat knob.
I will give you an example.. Softube's FET is one of the few plugins that doesn't report it's latency when using the look ahead to vst/au/aax DAW's. In fact the Reason version is more desirable in this case at it can be compensated to the sample using VMG.
When i contacted them about it years back, they said that DAW's didn't support varying latency in plugins. I emailed them around 3 years ago to them that every major DAW with PDC that I currently knew of had variable latency support these days, and gave them many examples of plugins that have wildly varying latency (izotope ozone for example), and that Logic, Cubase, Sonar, Pro Tools, DP, heck, even Tracktion, etc, compensated for them correctly and adjusted the PDC required as the plugin's latency changed.
They got back to me and said "yeah the situation seems to have changed these days so we will look at fixing this". That was 3 years back. LOL.
My point is, softube are wonderful but they kind of do their thing and that's it, from what I have experienced so far.
This is one of those situations where an incredibly inexpensive device that anyone can afford, has been made available that solves ALL of reason's gain staging "issues". Heck, i am using 4 or 5 Gain per track in some cases! I used a line mixer too Giles (remember how we spoke about the weird +6db pan law and you were helping me understand Reason's line mixer levels some time back), but now that gain is available with instant auto route, problem solved.
So i say, everyone be proactive, stop worrying about any plugins that don't have built in gain staging, and grab Selig gain and cure it instantly.
PS Since i know you will read this, i have an FR for future to show coars decimal point for next main update, like 1.1 or 0.6 for example in the peak reading. That would just round off the perfection!
Cheers!