Just upgraded to Reason 9. What REs are worth looking into?

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TritoneAddiction
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12 Aug 2017

Since I've been a Reason 7 user up till now, there's been several REs I haven't been able to try.

Proton, Oberon 2, Viking 2, Resonans, Arkana and a couple of others.

I'm leaning towards Arkana, Resonans or Oberon 2.
Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation. At least these things was the case with Vibro and I haven't touched it because of it, even though I own it.
From what I've read Viking 2 is a real CPU killer and judging from the demos it doesn't offer anything particularly new sound wise? Or am I wrong?

There are several synths that does sample loading now. Is anyone better/worse in your opinion? Pros and cons?


Any personal favorites from the latest Reason 9 synths?

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eXode
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13 Aug 2017

TritoneAddiction wrote:
12 Aug 2017
Since I've been a Reason 7 user up till now, there's been several REs I haven't been able to try.

Proton, Oberon 2, Viking 2, Resonans, Arkana and a couple of others.

I'm leaning towards Arkana, Resonans or Oberon 2.
Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation. At least these things was the case with Vibro and I haven't touched it because of it, even though I own it.
From what I've read Viking 2 is a real CPU killer and judging from the demos it doesn't offer anything particularly new sound wise? Or am I wrong?

There are several synths that does sample loading now. Is anyone better/worse in your opinion? Pros and cons?


Any personal favorites from the latest Reason 9 synths?
Upgrade to Expanse 2 if you haven't already! ;)

Viking 2 is heavy on the CPU in poly mode, that is true, but in my humble opinion there's nothing quite like it on the RE platform. It's actually my personal favorite plugin regardless of format for analogue style sounds at the moment. You can drive the signal pre and post filter as well as applying distortion as an effect as well, and then of course audio rate modulation. There's lot's of room for experimentation.

BUT you'll get the most out of it if you're a tweaker, there's a lot of tweaks to be done on the back panel that can change VK-2's character quite a bit, especially changing mixer and amp drive modes, and playing with the filter resonance drive and gain compensation (all on the back).

I would at least say try VK-2 for yourself and stick to monophonic mode if CPU is too much.

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13 Aug 2017

eXode wrote:
13 Aug 2017
TritoneAddiction wrote:
12 Aug 2017
Since I've been a Reason 7 user up till now, there's been several REs I haven't been able to try.

Proton, Oberon 2, Viking 2, Resonans, Arkana and a couple of others.

I'm leaning towards Arkana, Resonans or Oberon 2.
Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation. At least these things was the case with Vibro and I haven't touched it because of it, even though I own it.
From what I've read Viking 2 is a real CPU killer and judging from the demos it doesn't offer anything particularly new sound wise? Or am I wrong?

There are several synths that does sample loading now. Is anyone better/worse in your opinion? Pros and cons?


Any personal favorites from the latest Reason 9 synths?
Upgrade to Expanse 2 if you haven't already! ;)

Viking 2 is heavy on the CPU in poly mode, that is true, but in my humble opinion there's nothing quite like it on the RE platform. It's actually my personal favorite plugin regardless of format for analogue style sounds at the moment. You can drive the signal pre and post filter as well as applying distortion as an effect as well, and then of course audio rate modulation. There's lot's of room for experimentation.

BUT you'll get the most out of it if you're a tweaker, there's a lot of tweaks to be done on the back panel that can change VK-2's character quite a bit, especially changing mixer and amp drive modes, and playing with the filter resonance drive and gain compensation (all on the back).

I would at least say try VK-2 for yourself and stick to monophonic mode if CPU is too much.
I agree with Expanse. It could easily become you're new 'workhorse' synth. Versatile, good presets and a lot of fun to program.

VK-2 I personally found frustrating. It really sounds absolutely fantastic, but soooo taxing on the system. I might have a track playing, then add a VK-2 for lead synth and just scrolling through presets everything comes to grinding halt - computer too slow. Major workflow killer. Worth trialing for sure. If your PC can handle it, you'll be rewarded. If your PC can't handle it, then Synapse The Legend is also amazing, but much more CPU friendly (even the poly patches).

Now you have access to VST instruments, if you like modern sounds check out Spire. If you like retro sounds check out OP-X.
While you're deciding, get some excellent free VSTs such as PG-8X (go to the Soundtrack patch).

TritoneAddiction
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13 Aug 2017

eXode wrote:
13 Aug 2017
TritoneAddiction wrote:
12 Aug 2017
Since I've been a Reason 7 user up till now, there's been several REs I haven't been able to try.

Proton, Oberon 2, Viking 2, Resonans, Arkana and a couple of others.

I'm leaning towards Arkana, Resonans or Oberon 2.
Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation. At least these things was the case with Vibro and I haven't touched it because of it, even though I own it.
From what I've read Viking 2 is a real CPU killer and judging from the demos it doesn't offer anything particularly new sound wise? Or am I wrong?

There are several synths that does sample loading now. Is anyone better/worse in your opinion? Pros and cons?


Any personal favorites from the latest Reason 9 synths?
Upgrade to Expanse 2 if you haven't already! ;)

Viking 2 is heavy on the CPU in poly mode, that is true, but in my humble opinion there's nothing quite like it on the RE platform. It's actually my personal favorite plugin regardless of format for analogue style sounds at the moment. You can drive the signal pre and post filter as well as applying distortion as an effect as well, and then of course audio rate modulation. There's lot's of room for experimentation.

BUT you'll get the most out of it if you're a tweaker, there's a lot of tweaks to be done on the back panel that can change VK-2's character quite a bit, especially changing mixer and amp drive modes, and playing with the filter resonance drive and gain compensation (all on the back).

I would at least say try VK-2 for yourself and stick to monophonic mode if CPU is too much.
Upgraded Expanse but haven't tried the new version yet. I've only scratched the surface with this one.
Maybe I'll try Viking 2. I'm not really a tweaker though.

TritoneAddiction
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13 Aug 2017

raymondh wrote:
13 Aug 2017
eXode wrote:
13 Aug 2017


Upgrade to Expanse 2 if you haven't already! ;)

Viking 2 is heavy on the CPU in poly mode, that is true, but in my humble opinion there's nothing quite like it on the RE platform. It's actually my personal favorite plugin regardless of format for analogue style sounds at the moment. You can drive the signal pre and post filter as well as applying distortion as an effect as well, and then of course audio rate modulation. There's lot's of room for experimentation.

BUT you'll get the most out of it if you're a tweaker, there's a lot of tweaks to be done on the back panel that can change VK-2's character quite a bit, especially changing mixer and amp drive modes, and playing with the filter resonance drive and gain compensation (all on the back).

I would at least say try VK-2 for yourself and stick to monophonic mode if CPU is too much.
I agree with Expanse. It could easily become you're new 'workhorse' synth. Versatile, good presets and a lot of fun to program.

VK-2 I personally found frustrating. It really sounds absolutely fantastic, but soooo taxing on the system. I might have a track playing, then add a VK-2 for lead synth and just scrolling through presets everything comes to grinding halt - computer too slow. Major workflow killer. Worth trialing for sure. If your PC can handle it, you'll be rewarded. If your PC can't handle it, then Synapse The Legend is also amazing, but much more CPU friendly (even the poly patches).

Now you have access to VST instruments, if you like modern sounds check out Spire. If you like retro sounds check out OP-X.
While you're deciding, get some excellent free VSTs such as PG-8X (go to the Soundtrack patch).
I own Expanse and I agree it's a good versataile synth. Definitely worth spending more time with to really get to know it.
I'll give Viking a spin and see what I think about it. Judging from what I've heard so far Legend sounds fatter to me. Legend is one of my favorites for sure.
I tried Respire when it was released. Not a big fan honestly despite all the hype around it. I kind of hate the fact that they sold it to people when it was obviously not even close to a finished product. But even if I ignore that I simply didn't like it that much. It sounded professional for sure but I felt it lacked character and it didn't inspire me. Too mainstream sounding for me.
For now I think I'll rather stick to REs as much as possible.

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13 Aug 2017

I know exactly what you mean with Protons GUI. I felt the exact same way when I first tried it but once you start to use it you will find that it is among the best interfaces for RE's. It is rather intuitively done and having beta tested it myself it really grew on me. It has a certain charm that fuels your creativity and because its different helps you focus on what it is you are doing with it IMO. I would highly recommend Proton.

eXspanse is really wonderful I have not made much tunage with it myself but its my opinion that the LFO, MOD, envelopes and effects section alone is worth the price. Not to mention the filter section and the CV ins/outs. The shear amount of oscillators it has is truly amazing you can do anything with it.
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13 Aug 2017

TritoneAddiction wrote:…Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation.
You don't NEED to right-click for automation in Reason, in fact I find it to be an extra and unnecessary step. All you have to do is hit record and you can automate EVERY parameter in Proton and every Reason synth, no extra steps involved!
Much easier working that way IMO, even if what you want is to draw automation - just record and move the parameter in question, then you can draw/edit what you want in the sequencer.


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13 Aug 2017

I really enjoyed playing with both VK-2 and The Legend, but my 2014 laptop had a much easier time with The Legend, so that would have been the deciding factor to me. VK-2 has far more scope and versatility, of course. It's a real jewel in the RE crown, along with eXpanse.

TritoneAddiction
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13 Aug 2017

selig wrote:
13 Aug 2017
TritoneAddiction wrote:…Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation.
You don't NEED to right-click for automation in Reason, in fact I find it to be an extra and unnecessary step. All you have to do is hit record and you can automate EVERY parameter in Proton and every Reason synth, no extra steps involved!
Much easier working that way IMO, even if what you want is to draw automation - just record and move the parameter in question, then you can draw/edit what you want in the sequencer.
Thanks. I think I knew about this, but I forgot about it for some reason. Just tried it out. Right click will probably still be my go to way of automating since I'm so used to it by now and i tend to draw my automation anyway. But it's still very much worth remembering and it's good for devices like this. So thanks for that.

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13 Aug 2017

TritoneAddiction wrote:
13 Aug 2017
For now I think I'll rather stick to REs as much as possible.
I prefer the RE format too, but just try this free VST and see what you now have access to:

https://sites.google.com/site/mlvst0/

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14 Aug 2017

eXode wrote:
13 Aug 2017
TritoneAddiction wrote:
12 Aug 2017
Since I've been a Reason 7 user up till now, there's been several REs I haven't been able to try.

Proton, Oberon 2, Viking 2, Resonans, Arkana and a couple of others.

I'm leaning towards Arkana, Resonans or Oberon 2.
Proton might be awesome, but I can already tell the GUI is gonna bug me, all the menus and that I can't right click for automation. At least these things was the case with Vibro and I haven't touched it because of it, even though I own it.
From what I've read Viking 2 is a real CPU killer and judging from the demos it doesn't offer anything particularly new sound wise? Or am I wrong?

There are several synths that does sample loading now. Is anyone better/worse in your opinion? Pros and cons?


Any personal favorites from the latest Reason 9 synths?
Upgrade to Expanse 2 if you haven't already! ;)

Viking 2 is heavy on the CPU in poly mode, that is true, but in my humble opinion there's nothing quite like it on the RE platform. It's actually my personal favorite plugin regardless of format for analogue style sounds at the moment. You can drive the signal pre and post filter as well as applying distortion as an effect as well, and then of course audio rate modulation. There's lot's of room for experimentation.

BUT you'll get the most out of it if you're a tweaker, there's a lot of tweaks to be done on the back panel that can change VK-2's character quite a bit, especially changing mixer and amp drive modes, and playing with the filter resonance drive and gain compensation (all on the back).

I would at least say try VK-2 for yourself and stick to monophonic mode if CPU is too much.
VK2 quickly became a favourite of mine, everytime I want to make a sound from scratch I start with VK2 and the oscillators in "clean" mode, which is great for sine sub basses, but the tweakability is heaven because for me its all about developing unique sounds and creating your own sound from the tools you have, I've never enjoyed sound design more, and its a bit strange regarding CPU, I run VK2 quite flawlessly on my 2011 Macbook Pro even the pad patches are ok, didn't think my MBP had that much horse power.

I love how easy it is to use Arkana and quickly get something different when you load a sample, but its another one which will need a bit of tweaking, plenty of options on the table.

I've got eXpanse 2 but I've not really checked out the new features that much. The modulation matrix functions better with the update though.

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14 Aug 2017

Just tried out Viking 2 scrolling through a bunch of presets. Played around a bit with the filter too which sounds nice. It's cool but for my music and taste I still prefer Expanse and Legend. Viking 2 doesn't beat the fatness of Legend and Expanse just makes more interesting sounds imo. All subjective of course. So I think I'll skip Viking 2.

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