Please develop a tilt EQ RE

[tobypearce]

Hi there,

If there are any developers looking for a new project - and especially one that plugs a gap in Rack Extensions - am I right in thinking that there is no simple tilt eq in Reason currently?

Something like this:

http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/t-bone/

or this:

https://www.softube.com/index.php?id=tilt
http://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/equal ... lt-eq.html

[Gaja]

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product_ ... rs-bundle/


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[tobypearce]

Thanks. I've seen these ones.

To me, the advantage of a tilt EQ over a regular EQ is that it's quick and simple to operate: just a single knob to shift the eq spectrum rather than having to work with multiple bands. It's this simplicity that I'm keen on (otherwise I'm fine with a regular EQ) - the power of a single knob.

The current tilt filters as above may sound great and definitely have uses, but I'm still after something quick and simple as a way of early shaping in a track to get a feel for overall sounds. I can always go back in and use a dedicated EQ later to refine the sound further.

[Gaja]

Well afaik these are the only tilt filters for Reason at the moment. I've never used one myself, so I'm still fine with using several knobs to get what I want...
You could of course contact Softube and ask them to develop the tilt filter for Reason.


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[Catblack]

You could very easily put an M-class eq in a combi and set the raise and lower to one dial. There's really no need for anything more than that.

Seems like a dreadful way to do an eq to me, from the video I just saw on youtube, but to each their own.

[normen]

You could very easily put an M-class eq in a combi and set the raise and lower to one dial. There's really no need for anything more than that.

Seems like a dreadful way to do an eq to me, from the video I just saw on youtube, but to each their own.

Well it can be quite nice to do a basic mix, balancing the single parts high and low end and then going on from that. But yeah, I was about to say the same thing, just use two shelvings, map it to one knob in a combinator and you can use it as an insert in the SSL.

[O1B]

I agree with the OP. A tilt filter - simplified - is very useful
"you could easily" - FYI, building a proper tilt is a little more involved that what you described.

setting and raising one dial isn't all a tilt filter is.
if you take a look at Softtube's - you have the ability to see-saw or tilt both sides Upwards. there's even room for separate tilts.
It would be wise to include Cut-Offs - don't you think? especially tilting the Bass UP.
Then, the meat of the matter... resonant "bumps" that can be applied to the Cut-off(s)...
- possibly an Env Follower or LFO

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

You could very easily put an M-class eq in a combi and set the raise and lower to one dial. There's really no need for anything more than that.

Seems like a dreadful way to do an eq to me, from the video I just saw on youtube, but to each their own.

[normen]

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Says that and posts the image of a tilt EQ with 4 knobs and 5 buttons... (4 plus one on/off)

[selig]

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Only needs one knob, really, at least to cover the basic tilt EQ function.
Here's a simple Combinator that makes a very nice simple tilt EQ (anyone is welcome to add more knobs if they like and re-share):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxiUv ... zhZT1F2VE0

[Creativemind]

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

[O1B]

Says that... and more. Read a little closer, sir.
Back to the point. Better to graciously accept that your "description" what a tilt filter is was inadequate.

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Says that and posts the image of a tilt EQ with 4 knobs and 5 buttons... (4 plus one on/off)

[O1B]

You guys need to READ a little more closely.

One Tilt does not a Tilt filter make.

- Crossover Point
- CutoffS
- Resonant Bumps
- See Saw or Dual Lift mode.
- Im sure I mentioned other parameters.

That is all.

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Only needs one knob, really, at least to cover the basic tilt EQ function.
Here's a simple Combinator that makes a very nice simple tilt EQ (anyone is welcome to add more knobs if they like and re-share):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxiUv ... zhZT1F2VE0

[selig]

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

You lost me - how do you "apply it"? It's a combinator FX. Hook it up to the output of Thor and you've 'applied' it to Thor unless I'm missing something in your comment.

I think of Tilt EQ as a Tone control with "bass" to the left and "treble" to the right. Since I like to try to do as much EQ cut as boost rather than do all cut or all boost (to try to keep the overall level the same), Tilt EQ accomplishes this nicely by cutting and boosting by equal amounts.

The effect of the long gradual transition across the audible spectrum is difficult to recreate any other way as far as I'm aware.

[Creativemind]

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

You lost me - how do you "apply it"? It's a combinator FX. Hook it up to the output of Thor and you've 'applied' it to Thor unless I'm missing something in your comment.

I think of Tilt EQ as a Tone control with "bass" to the left and "treble" to the right. Since I like to try to do as much EQ cut as boost rather than do all cut or all boost (to try to keep the overall level the same), Tilt EQ accomplishes this nicely by cutting and boosting by equal amounts.

The effect of the long gradual transition across the audible spectrum is difficult to recreate any other way as far as I'm aware.

Haha it worked. I dragged a Thor on, dragged the TiltEQ Combi over the top of it and it worked. It automatically wired itself to it. So CombiFX work the same as normal effects when you just drag them on then?

[selig]

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

You lost me - how do you "apply it"? It's a combinator FX. Hook it up to the output of Thor and you've 'applied' it to Thor unless I'm missing something in your comment.

I think of Tilt EQ as a Tone control with "bass" to the left and "treble" to the right. Since I like to try to do as much EQ cut as boost rather than do all cut or all boost (to try to keep the overall level the same), Tilt EQ accomplishes this nicely by cutting and boosting by equal amounts.

The effect of the long gradual transition across the audible spectrum is difficult to recreate any other way as far as I'm aware.

Haha it worked. I dragged a Thor on, dragged the TiltEQ Combi over the top of it and it worked. It automatically wired itself to it. So CombiFX work the same as normal effects when you just drag them on then?

Yes, the only rule being if there is no input and output hooked up internally it will not work - there must be an input and an output hooked up internally for it to know it's an FX. If there's only an output then it 'knows' it's an instrument and not an FX.

[lowpryo]

Says that... and more. Read a little closer, sir.
Back to the point. Better to graciously accept that your "description" what a tilt filter is was inadequate.

if you add even MORE control than what Softube's has, you're gonna turn it into a regular parametric EQ! might as well use one of those instead. tilts should be simple & quick alternative, not an equally robust tool. that defeats the purpose.

[O1B]

Ever used a tilt? or made one? or any kind of filter besides Software SSL/ MEQ/ Softube?
wondering....

seems very little is known of the Power of a Tilt Filter.

Says that... and more. Read a little closer, sir.
Back to the point. Better to graciously accept that your "description" what a tilt filter is was inadequate.

if you add even MORE control than what Softube's has, you're gonna turn it into a regular parametric EQ! might as well use one of those instead. tilts should be simple & quick alternative, not an equally robust tool. that defeats the purpose.

[tobypearce]

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

To me it's a workflow enhancement rather than giving a unique sound. It's the speed of having one knob. You remember the video Prop's did on the power of simple LPF HPF - called something like "the best 2 knobs in Reason"? It's just like that. I have the Boz T-Bone filter and used it in Logic, and the big draw for me was speed. Whilst I'm creating I don't always want to spend a lot of time mixing, so just moving one knob gives a broad shape to the sound.

Here's Boz on Tilt / Slant EQs:

What is a Slant EQ?
A slant EQ is a filter that simultaneously boosts one end of the frequency spectrum while attenuating the other end. As it turns out this is an amazingly useful tool for brightening or darkening your tracks very quickly. Another reason this is super handy is that it allows you to change the tone of your track without changing the overall level. With traditional EQ plugins, as you boost certain frequencies, the overall sound gets louder. The problem with this is that our brains have the screwy little feature where louder music tends to sound better (even if it actually sounds worse. Make sense?). A slant EQ works around that special feature in our brain so that you aren’t deceived by the changing level and you can know instantly if your are improving or worsening your sound.

I did actually make a combinator using just the technique others were talking about above, and it's great as an insert. I've attached it here. (I do, after all, love Reason's ability to roll your own like this.) I just thought it might be an interesting project for a dev to work on, that's all. If someone could make one that was inexpensive and low CPU I would be interested. Until then, I'm happy with my Blue Peter combinator version

[Karim]

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Only needs one knob, really, at least to cover the basic tilt EQ function.
Here's a simple Combinator that makes a very nice simple tilt EQ (anyone is welcome to add more knobs if they like and re-share):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxiUv ... zhZT1F2VE0

it's awesome and thx Selig for your precious contribution!

[Karim]

yes my friend! Welcome to the Reason World!

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

You lost me - how do you "apply it"? It's a combinator FX. Hook it up to the output of Thor and you've 'applied' it to Thor unless I'm missing something in your comment.

I think of Tilt EQ as a Tone control with "bass" to the left and "treble" to the right. Since I like to try to do as much EQ cut as boost rather than do all cut or all boost (to try to keep the overall level the same), Tilt EQ accomplishes this nicely by cutting and boosting by equal amounts.

The effect of the long gradual transition across the audible spectrum is difficult to recreate any other way as far as I'm aware.

Haha it worked. I dragged a Thor on, dragged the TiltEQ Combi over the top of it and it worked. It automatically wired itself to it. So CombiFX work the same as normal effects when you just drag them on then?

[Karim]

Nice one Selig but how would you apply that to a Thor or an audio track without knowledge of wiring at the back, which quite frankly loses me and kills my creativity.

Just want to ask, what does tilt filtering do for your track/s that a normal eq doesn't? in other words, what's it doing?

To me it's a workflow enhancement rather than giving a unique sound. It's the speed of having one knob. You remember the video Prop's did on the power of simple LPF HPF - called something like "the best 2 knobs in Reason"? It's just like that. I have the Boz T-Bone filter and used it in Logic, and the big draw for me was speed. Whilst I'm creating I don't always want to spend a lot of time mixing, so just moving one knob gives a broad shape to the sound.

Here's Boz on Tilt / Slant EQs:

What is a Slant EQ?
A slant EQ is a filter that simultaneously boosts one end of the frequency spectrum while attenuating the other end. As it turns out this is an amazingly useful tool for brightening or darkening your tracks very quickly. Another reason this is super handy is that it allows you to change the tone of your track without changing the overall level. With traditional EQ plugins, as you boost certain frequencies, the overall sound gets louder. The problem with this is that our brains have the screwy little feature where louder music tends to sound better (even if it actually sounds worse. Make sense?). A slant EQ works around that special feature in our brain so that you aren’t deceived by the changing level and you can know instantly if your are improving or worsening your sound.

I did actually make a combinator using just the technique others were talking about above, and it's great as an insert. I've attached it here. (I do, after all, love Reason's ability to roll your own like this.) I just thought it might be an interesting project for a dev to work on, that's all. If someone could make one that was inexpensive and low CPU I would be interested. Until then, I'm happy with my Blue Peter combinator version

https://youtu.be/_ID_qcbSGP0

Seems that HOFA made his version and it's also dynamic!
It is easy to add dynamic to the combinator or we need more knobs to that purpose?

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[normen]

Says that... and more. Read a little closer, sir.
Back to the point. Better to graciously accept that your "description" what a tilt filter is was inadequate.

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Says that and posts the image of a tilt EQ with 4 knobs and 5 buttons... (4 plus one on/off)

Pretentious much? Anyway I was not so much defending my own (admittedly simplified but yet capturing the essence of a tilt EQ) description of it but rather pointed out that a Tilt EQ with the same amount of controls as the one you used to exemplify a "proper" Tilt EQ is in fact possible as a combinator. And yes, I am using the exact Tilt EQ you posted in some situations myself. Better to graciously accept that your "example" of a Tilt EQ IS easy to create when a combinator only allows 4 knobs?

[O1B]

Stay focused, Normen. This is not about you or me. This is about the OPs request for a Tilt Filter.
This is not about how many knobs a tilt filter has. That sounds like a ridiculous argument to get into.
But, I understand your need to imply 'a combo can DO IT"

My argument was about the possibilities given Proper Design, not JUST thrown together.

I don't take the inter webs personally. Good Day, to you sir.

Says that... and more. Read a little closer, sir.
Back to the point. Better to graciously accept that your "description" what a tilt filter is was inadequate.

Not so easy when a "combi" only allows 4 knobs. ...

Says that and posts the image of a tilt EQ with 4 knobs and 5 buttons... (4 plus one on/off)

Pretentious much? Anyway I was not so much defending my own (admittedly simplified but yet capturing the essence of a tilt EQ) description of it but rather pointed out that a Tilt EQ with the same amount of controls as the one you used to exemplify a "proper" Tilt EQ is in fact possible as a combinator. And yes, I am using the exact Tilt EQ you posted in some situations myself. Better to graciously accept that your "example" of a Tilt EQ IS easy to create when a combinator only allows 4 knobs?

[normen]

Stay focused, Normen. This is not about you or me.

Hehe. Says that after expressing that "the point" would be me accepting that a tilt EQ doesn't just tilt..

Anyway, yes, back to the point. A Tilt EQ is simply what Selig posted in his patch, in its best and cleanest form it has just one knob because thats what they're for, being the most simple way to brighten/darken your parts. Theres no hidden magic apart from that but people will always hear magic when they simply hear change if they want to.

[O1B]

here's some harp playing, Normen. Feel better:

If a proper tilt Is "MAGIC" to you... so be it. Softube and I, disagree.
there's apparently is no getting back to the point on this one. I bow out.

Stay focused, Normen. This is not about you or me.

Hehe. Says that after expressing that "the point" would be me accepting that a tilt EQ doesn't just tilt..
Anyway, yes, back to the point. ...Theres no hidden magic apart from that but people will always hear magic when they simply hear change if they want to.