To Screw or Not to Screw…

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crimsonwarlock
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Post 20 May 2023

SebAudio wrote:
20 May 2023
In that respect, VCV is quite better and good at handling large projects. Too bad RS doesn’t provide RE devs multiple sizes.
REs can have different sizes in height, only the width is locked. Pretty much the same with VCV where the width can vary, but the height is locked.
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Post 20 May 2023

I have a dedicated screen (on the right) for the rack. Hitting a track in the sequencer or the rack button on a mixer channel automatically moves the corresponding rack area into view. It is like working with an actual rack besides your console.


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Post 20 May 2023

crimsonwarlock wrote:
20 May 2023
I have a dedicated screen (on the right) for the rack. Hitting a track in the sequencer or the rack button on a mixer channel automatically moves the corresponding rack area into view. It is like working with an actual rack besides your console.


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I bought a touch screen after i i saw your setup for the first time 😉 thanks for the idea.

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Post 20 May 2023

arnigretar wrote:
20 May 2023
I'm also one of those that wish we would have virtual midi cables at the back or on the front. And if you would want you could hide them (like they are now). This is of great teaching value - since I teach electronic music - this would help a lot. Midi in-midi thru-midi out
I honestly don’t understand why MIDI cables, ubiquitous in hardware for decades, were not a part of the original design. It would have made SO much logical sense, and opened the door to player type devices LONG ago. Plus, a MIDI Splitter/Merger would have fit right into the Reason rack concept!

I also have wished for a non real-world connector that would have opened up Reason as a poly-modular environment: Poly Voice Cables (PVC). Imagine putting Thor, Malstrom, and Europa in a Combinator and connecting poly out of Malstrom’s oscillators into Thor’s filters using Europa’s Envelopes and LFOs. And doing it all polyphonically (at the voice level). I have dreamed about this forever, and even held out hope the ‘reserved space’ on RE could support this feature. A pop-out on the back panel COULD still support this feature, fwiw…
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bxbrkrz
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Post 20 May 2023

arnigretar wrote:
20 May 2023
bxbrkrz wrote:
19 May 2023
Screwing things up.
When they started mixing up flat and 3D within each other was when the immersion was breaking apart for me. It's a visual confusion. I believe this 'liberty' started with the screws debacle. You break your own rules. Then anything goes. Tintin fighting with Dracula and Spiderman. “Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”
This. That's why I'm glad I have PX7. But this will be maybe broken from time to time and again and again until the rack is Ableton Live.
Sadly yes. Patching cables yourself could go away next. It's a boiling frog situation.
[off topic: we can select colors on the sequencer, but not the colors of the patch cables]

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Post 20 May 2023

selig wrote:
20 May 2023
arnigretar wrote:
20 May 2023
I'm also one of those that wish we would have virtual midi cables at the back or on the front. And if you would want you could hide them (like they are now). This is of great teaching value - since I teach electronic music - this would help a lot. Midi in-midi thru-midi out
I honestly don’t understand why MIDI cables, ubiquitous in hardware for decades, were not a part of the original design. It would have made SO much logical sense, and opened the door to player type devices LONG ago. Plus, a MIDI Splitter/Merger would have fit right into the Reason rack concept!

I also have wished for a non real-world connector that would have opened up Reason as a poly-modular environment: Poly Voice Cables (PVC). Imagine putting Thor, Malstrom, and Europa in a Combinator and connecting poly out of Malstrom’s oscillators into Thor’s filters using Europa’s Envelopes and LFOs. And doing it all polyphonically (at the voice level). I have dreamed about this forever, and even held out hope the ‘reserved space’ on RE could support this feature. A pop-out on the back panel COULD still support this feature, fwiw…
I hope our Reason Jedi Master dear Matthias is reading those notes from selig :) Hopefully because they don't have a future "Reason 13" - only making Reason 12 the perfect one - they will continue in making the rack (our virtual rack) the greatest rack of all time (both audio wise and visual). Maybe tiny touches here and there (visually) - and maybe Matthias can answer if Midi cables (hide/show feature) is something possible in the future.
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Post 20 May 2023

bxbrkrz wrote:
20 May 2023

[off topic: we can select colors on the sequencer, but not the colors of the patch cables]

A proud PX7 Club member myself :thumbs_up:
Patch cables colors, sweet idea :) and yes - PX7 is a beauty for FM in Reason.
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Post 22 May 2023

I'm more bothered by the fact, that you can unscrew Subtractor and it don't fall off.

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Post 22 May 2023

AntiPattern wrote:
22 May 2023
I'm more bothered by the fact, that you can unscrew Subtractor and it don't fall off.
is supported by the rear wires?

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Post 22 May 2023

AntiPattern wrote:
22 May 2023
I'm more bothered by the fact, that you can unscrew Subtractor and it don't fall off.
That's how they first learned about the magic rack, and it's also why they don' t feel the need to use screws on some of the newer stuff.

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Post 22 May 2023

DaveyG wrote:
22 May 2023
AntiPattern wrote:
22 May 2023
I'm more bothered by the fact, that you can unscrew Subtractor and it don't fall off.
That's how they first learned about the magic rack, and it's also why they don' t feel the need to use screws on some of the newer stuff.
HA! Was going to say something similar but you beat me to it (and said it better anyway). :)
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Post 22 May 2023

drno wrote:
22 May 2023
AntiPattern wrote:
22 May 2023
I'm more bothered by the fact, that you can unscrew Subtractor and it don't fall off.
is supported by the rear wires?
It would have been awesome if the quality degraded when you removed the screws!
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Post 22 May 2023

visheshl wrote:
20 May 2023
The only drawback is multiple rrp instances cant talk to each other like reason standalone.
I think patchbays could enable this.
Where multiple rrp instances can send data and recieve data via one seperate global standalone patchbay thing.
Then basically you'd have the advantages of reason standalone. Which is anything in the project can connect to anything.
And also have a manageable and neatly organized project with seperate racks in seperate tracks.
In fact reason standalone itself can have the concept of seperate racks in seperate windows per sound if the standalone users are finding the racks getting too cluttered and unmanageable.
You have a (little) patch bay right now when you use the additional audio in/outs of the RRP. But extending this with a dedicated intra-RRP patchbay area including CV sockets would be really useful.

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Post 22 May 2023

AntiPattern wrote:
22 May 2023
I'm more bothered by the fact, that you can unscrew Subtractor and it don't fall off.
Back in Reason 1.0, we could click on the Matrix label and get a neat little animation:

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