Reason - should all of it's built in effects being replaced?

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this is absurd. their built in effects sound just as good as any other plugins (at worst), and sound incredible (at best). anything else is user error.
No there certainly can always be bad ones, not every car is great either as example.
gotta call bullshit on that. any stock device in any DAW can sound good if the user knows what they’re doing, guaranteed.

it’s not a good analogy. in music, you’re judged by the end result (how something sounds). if you were to do the same with a car, you’d be basing it off whether or not you reached your destination. cars break down. plugin software doesn’t.
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A bad sounding filter is impossible then? Sorry, didn't know that yet.

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A bad sounding filter is impossible then? Sorry, didn't know that yet.
Good sounds can still be made with any filters :P

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A bad sounding filter is impossible then? Sorry, didn't know that yet.
Good sounds can still be made with any filters :P
At least I'm able to make shit music which partly is a cause of the tools I use.

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Good sounds can still be made with any filters :P
At least I'm able to make shit music which partly is a cause of the tools I use.
no it isn’t. you need to learn to use the tools better if you’re not happy with the results. an artist can’t blame their tools for bad art.
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Strange. I didn't put in those links.

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At least I'm able to make shit music which partly is a cause of the tools I use.
no it isn’t. you need to learn to use the tools better if you’re not happy with the results. an artist can’t blame their tools for bad art.
That's might be ok in the artist perspective, but not mixing/mastering perspective. And well i didn't complain about my skills.
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Strange. I didn't put in those links.
What links?

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no it isn’t. you need to learn to use the tools better if you’re not happy with the results. an artist can’t blame their tools for bad art.
That's might be ok in the artist perspective, but not mixing/mastering perspective. And well i didn't complain about my skills.
mixing and mastering is an art form itself. besides, if you’re mixing and mastering your own songs, the distinction is sort of irrelevant.
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That's might be ok in the artist perspective, but not mixing/mastering perspective. And well i didn't complain about my skills.
mixing and mastering is an art form itself. besides, if you’re mixing and mastering your own songs, the distinction is sort of irrelevant.
So you disagree that Antidote has bigger/cleaner filters than Thor and that it doesn't matter to you either when you make your choice?

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mixing and mastering is an art form itself. besides, if you’re mixing and mastering your own songs, the distinction is sort of irrelevant.
So you disagree that Antidote has bigger/cleaner filters than Thor and that it doesn't matter to you either when you make your choice?
sure I disagree. they have different filters. they’re different instruments. it’s like saying do you disagree that Les Pauls sound better than Stratocasters. they’re different guitars. some people will like the Strat. some people will like the LP. some people will wonder why they used either, or dislike guitars in general.

if one instrument doesn’t have what you need, use another. if one tool doesn’t do what you need, use another. it doesn’t mean the instrument isn’t good. it doesn’t mean the tool isn’t good. it just isn’t what you need.
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So you disagree that Antidote has bigger/cleaner filters than Thor and that it doesn't matter to you either when you make your choice?
sure I disagree. they have different filters. they’re different instruments. it’s like saying do you disagree that Les Pauls sound better than Stratocasters. they’re different guitars. some people will like the Strat. some people will like the LP. some people will wonder why they used either, or dislike guitars in general.

if one instrument doesn’t have what you need, use another. if one tool doesn’t do what you need, use another. it doesn’t mean the instrument isn’t good. it doesn’t mean the tool isn’t good. it just isn’t what you need.
I agree what you say, but you put me wondering why do you argue against the official first post that just suggested updating the old built in effects, as probably there's a bit truth to it, that they are not the bestest anymore, if we compare them against to some of the more recent ones in the plugin world. I would even go that far that we could make Reason modular and choose our filters for the NNXT, Thor etc. from the dropdown menu. As 3-4 years ago I did some tests and routed stuff into some REs and noticed a big improvement in soundwise. As a sound-designer I just can't route stuff into 5 different REs and sell them by thinking that lots of my clients have all the 5 ones as well. That's a shame really in the sound-designer's angle.

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sure I disagree. they have different filters. they’re different instruments. it’s like saying do you disagree that Les Pauls sound better than Stratocasters. they’re different guitars. some people will like the Strat. some people will like the LP. some people will wonder why they used either, or dislike guitars in general.

if one instrument doesn’t have what you need, use another. if one tool doesn’t do what you need, use another. it doesn’t mean the instrument isn’t good. it doesn’t mean the tool isn’t good. it just isn’t what you need.
I agree what you say, but you put me wondering why do you argue against the official first post that just suggested updating the old built in effects, as probably there's a bit truth to it, that they are not the bestest anymore, if we compare them against to some of the more recent ones in the plugin world. I would even go that far that we could make Reason modular and choose our filters for the NNXT, Thor etc. from the dropdown menu. As 3-4 years ago I did some tests and routed stuff into some REs and noticed a big improvement in soundwise. As a sound-designer I just can't route stuff into 5 different REs and sell them by thinking that lots of my clients have all the 5 ones as well. That's a shame really in the sound-designer's angle.
Maybe you should explore making your own plugins instead, that have everything you want, in which you can design patches?

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I agree what you say, but you put me wondering why do you argue against the official first post that just suggested updating the old built in effects, as probably there's a bit truth to it, that they are not the bestest anymore, if we compare them against to some of the more recent ones in the plugin world. I would even go that far that we could make Reason modular and choose our filters for the NNXT, Thor etc. from the dropdown menu. As 3-4 years ago I did some tests and routed stuff into some REs and noticed a big improvement in soundwise. As a sound-designer I just can't route stuff into 5 different REs and sell them by thinking that lots of my clients have all the 5 ones as well. That's a shame really in the sound-designer's angle.
Maybe you should explore making your own plugins instead, that have everything you want, in which you can design patches?
I am not a plugin maker, if I would, I could do so indeed then. But one can always dream that "Re-Parts" modular Reason will be released at some point. Maybe in the 2033 when I'm 53 years old then, haha!

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Strange. I didn't put in those links.
What links?
When I checked this thread from iOS before the words / sentences "Abbey Road" and something more, I think it was "Reason" - from my last post above - was linked to other sites. Very strange.

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Maybe you should explore making your own plugins instead, that have everything you want, in which you can design patches?
I am not a plugin maker, if I would, I could do so indeed then. But one can always dream that "Re-Parts" modular Reason will be released at some point. Maybe in the 2033 when I'm 53 years old then, haha!
Well you might have some luck with UJAM's Gorilla Engine.

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What links?
When I checked this thread from iOS before the words / sentences "Abbey Road" and something more, I think it was "Reason" - from my last post above - was linked to other sites. Very strange.
Ok.

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I am not a plugin maker, if I would, I could do so indeed then. But one can always dream that "Re-Parts" modular Reason will be released at some point. Maybe in the 2033 when I'm 53 years old then, haha!
Well you might have some luck with UJAM's Gorilla Engine.
Is it some kind of a plugin developer kit?

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08 Apr 2020

I googled: Yup! Dunno, might check it out, if I can be arsed enough. :puf_bigsmile:

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Well you might have some luck with UJAM's Gorilla Engine.
Is it some kind of a plugin developer kit?
It used to be referred to as the IDT. Many RE makers use it.

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Is it some kind of a plugin developer kit?
It used to be referred to as the IDT. Many RE makers use it.
Thanx for the I.N.F.O! :thumbs_up:

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Abbey Road - 1969, perfect
Thriller - 1982, perfect
Minimoog - 1970, perfect
Reason - 2000, perfect
Apart from Reason not having audio (where Record was put into it) till Reason 6 (2011 / 2012 - I know 6.5 was 2012 as that was the first version I bought.) I'd argue not perfect, yet.
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Heigen5 wrote:
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Good sounds can still be made with any filters :P
At least I'm able to make shit music which partly is a cause of the tools I use.
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