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[Finished] Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by RobC
Dear Propellerhead Software Reason Studios!
Please add the possibility of curved automation for the sequencer, just like newer instruments have curves in their envelopes built-in, too.
Thank you!
P.S. Money is already saved up for the next paid update in the future.
(Personally, I'd still love a Midi/CV out from the sequencer, but that's another story.)
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by friday
+1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by Loque
I cant count how often this was requested... And i cant count how often i wished it were available while i tried to adjust a automation "curve"... Was it in the last feature poll?
Nevertheless, i vote for it: +1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by Timmy Crowne
+1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by DaveJ330
+1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by Creativemind
+1
Yeah that would be great and exponential envelopes on all stock synths. Europa has exponential envelopes doesn't it?
Also more than just 1 45 degree fade out line on audio clips. Have it so you can double click it and add points like you can automation and also curves as well.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 25 Sep 2018
by aeox
+1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 26 Sep 2018
by RobC
+1
(In case my post doesn't count as a vote. xD)
True, let's hope, they add it if we keep asking, Loque!
Creativemind, unfortunately there's only so much we can request at once, if we'd like something to be made, but this would be a great start!
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 26 Sep 2018
by Noplan
+1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by Mr. Watts
+1
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by Bes
+1
or a math lane could work for me, similar to the pattern lane but applies math to the automation lane
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by scratchnsnifff
I’d love a in depth automation scaler, with curves!!!
Bitwig and Cubase have amazing automation possibilities
I remember in cubase that you can set a ratio, and 1 out of every 4 dots or velocity marks is selected an moved. And they even have settings so you type in a ratio and the automation forms an up hill or down hill ramp, with variation according to the ratio.
Bitwigs automation isn’t as in-depth but you get something similar but more fancy than reasons tool window. Where you can drag something and it inverts the automation clip.
If they add automation curves, I think it’s fair to say that they should focus on automation as a whole
with curves, scale settings, preset shapes (I think that would be unique) maybe in the tool window we could get a grid that shows common shapes with the ability to have a folder of user shapes.
I also love how ableton, bitwig and I think fl have a shaded area to indicate values from 0->100% or 0-> -100%
There is room for reason to innovate a little bit regarding automation. As reasons automation system is pretty basic. This is not to say that they should go balls to the wall and over complicate it
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by Loque
scratchnsnifff wrote: ↑27 Sep 2018
I’d love a in depth automation scaler, with curves!!!
Bitwig and Cubase have amazing automation possibilities
I remember in cubase that you can set a ratio, and 1 out of every 4 dots or velocity marks is selected an moved. And they even have settings so you type in a ratio and the automation forms an up hill or down hill ramp, with variation according to the ratio.
Bitwigs automation isn’t as in-depth but you get something similar but more fancy than reasons tool window. Where you can drag something and it inverts the automation clip.
If they add automation curves, I think it’s fair to say that they should focus on automation as a whole
with curves, scale settings, preset shapes (I think that would be unique) maybe in the tool window we could get a grid that shows common shapes with the ability to have a folder of user shapes.
I also love how ableton, bitwig and I think fl have a shaded area to indicate values from 0->100% or 0-> -100%
There is room for reason to innovate a little bit regarding automation. As reasons automation system is pretty basic. This is not to say that they should go balls to the wall and over complicate it
I like the idea of a few preset/template curves or generators like "lfo 4/4 with amp=50%" or transformers like "downsample or make it stepped with 10 steps within loop".
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by scratchnsnifff
Loque wrote: ↑27 Sep 2018
scratchnsnifff wrote: ↑27 Sep 2018
I’d love a in depth automation scaler, with curves!!!
Bitwig and Cubase have amazing automation possibilities
I remember in cubase that you can set a ratio, and 1 out of every 4 dots or velocity marks is selected an moved. And they even have settings so you type in a ratio and the automation forms an up hill or down hill ramp, with variation according to the ratio.
Bitwigs automation isn’t as in-depth but you get something similar but more fancy than reasons tool window. Where you can drag something and it inverts the automation clip.
If they add automation curves, I think it’s fair to say that they should focus on automation as a whole
with curves, scale settings, preset shapes (I think that would be unique) maybe in the tool window we could get a grid that shows common shapes with the ability to have a folder of user shapes.
I also love how ableton, bitwig and I think fl have a shaded area to indicate values from 0->100% or 0-> -100%
There is room for reason to innovate a little bit regarding automation. As reasons automation system is pretty basic. This is not to say that they should go balls to the wall and over complicate it
I like the idea of a few preset/template curves or generators like "lfo 4/4 with amp=50%" or transformers like "downsample or make it stepped with 10 steps within loop".
Indeed! I wonder if an automation focused update is something that is a staple feature, or if it would be a point update feature
My hope is that someday they break their update cycle, to unleash a mega update something along the lines of say combinator mk2 with smart features, automation stuff, various time stretch modes with a grain playback mode, and maybe a new synth or suite of effects.
If they aimed their update like this I think they would get a lot of positive feedback. Essentially the idea is to hit a nail on each piece of wood within each update. So a little bit of workflow stiff, a couple of wow factors, and something else that’s new to play with. A little of everything. Their current model takes a while but they really have been killing it so maybe they should just keep up their good work
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by RobC
The preset idea is interesting ~ so far I usually solved that with creating (currently easily possible) shapes, put them into clips, and used them that way - can be a bit of a hassle though.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by makke
+1, but do it how FL Studio is making it. Two points and "tension line" between them. You get much, much better control to curve than example how Live has curve thing. The difference is huge.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 27 Sep 2018
by Marc64
+1
Using this until that gets implemented...
Download file
http://propellerheads.se/stuff/JB34.zip
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 28 Sep 2018
by RobC
I was wondering for a sec, like how on earth he did that - (yeah drawing everything point by point) ~ though really wonder now what keeps them from making these, especially when he mentioned how other DAWs have such things.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 28 Sep 2018
by Creativemind
RobC wrote: ↑26 Sep 2018
+1
(In case my post doesn't count as a vote. xD)
True, let's hope, they add it if we keep asking, Loque!
Creativemind, unfortunately there's only so much we can request at once, if we'd like something to be made, but this would be a great start!
I know there's A LOT I want lol! I'm hoping for even more (probably not till after the VST update later on this year) midi editing features. I'm hoping for a 10.5 which is a midi editor focussed update. I have over 20 features here. Propellerhead need to look at the piano roll on FL Studio to see the possibilities but again I'll +1 the "Curved Automation".
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 28 Sep 2018
by C//AZM
RobC wrote: ↑28 Sep 2018
I was wondering for a sec, like how on earth he did that - (yeah drawing everything point by point) ~ though really wonder now what keeps them from making these, especially when he mentioned how other DAWs have such things.
OH I forgot all about that thing! Great call!
I had it as part of my template back in reason 5 or 6...sometime before REs.
I'm gonna re-do one of my starter templates and put that back in.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 28 Sep 2018
by Loque
C//AZM wrote: ↑28 Sep 2018
RobC wrote: ↑28 Sep 2018
I was wondering for a sec, like how on earth he did that - (yeah drawing everything point by point) ~ though really wonder now what keeps them from making these, especially when he mentioned how other DAWs have such things.
OH I forgot all about that thing! Great call!
I had it as part of my template back in reason 5 or 6...sometime before REs.
I'm gonna re-do one of my starter templates and put that back in.
And now put THIS in a template menu and/or make it easier to record an LFO with just a simple "send to track"...
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by RobC
Sadly, there's only so much we can draw in the sequencer accurately. Not good for obsessive compulsive disorder. xD
Well, we got about 14 votes. That enough? xD
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by Loque
RobC wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018
Sadly, there's only so much we can draw in the sequencer accurately. Not good for obsessive compulsive disorder. xD
Well, we got about 14 votes. That enough? xD
Obviously a feature which is not important to most users.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by RobC
Loque wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018
RobC wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018
Sadly, there's only so much we can draw in the sequencer accurately. Not good for obsessive compulsive disorder. xD
Well, we got about 14 votes. That enough? xD
Obviously a feature which is not important to most users.
I wouldn't think so. Maybe with some demonstration what it's good for, people would understand. One obvious would be song fade outs. But also it could be great for adding unique dynamics/filtering for each note when it comes to melodies. I'm not a fixed ADSR-type.
Re: Curved Automation (Petition)
Posted: 01 Oct 2018
by Loque
RobC wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018
Loque wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018
Obviously a feature which is not important to most users.
I wouldn't think so. Maybe with some demonstration what it's good for, people would understand. One obvious would be song fade outs. But also it could be great for adding unique dynamics/filtering for each note when it comes to melodies. I'm not a fixed ADSR-type.
The usecases are endless for me. From creating automated ADSR, panning, filter sweeps or modulations in general. A lot of synths do not have enough modmatrix slots and modulation with envelope generators are somewhat limited at a specific point. That is where automation is required for modulation.
Beside the normal stuff of automating data. Changing from a linear to exp/sin/log thing would be nice. Way more control how a sound or a automation should be shaped.
Well, maybe not everyone needs this accuracy or is experimenting with automation in the sequencer to make the sounds as he wants it.
