[request granted] Reason Rack as a VST

[kitekrazy]

Reason as a VST will never happen. That just encourages others to use a different DAW, terrible business move.

Or maybe it makes all Ableton, Cubase and Logic users buy a copy of Reason and it's an excellent business move?

Native Instruments have their own sort of DAW in Maschine, imagine if Komplete was only available for that instead of all DAWs. Do you think NI would make more money?

Also, ReWire exists. Propellerheads came up with it. They want you to be able to use Reason together with other DAWs. It's just very inconvenient to do it currently.

That was already attempted with Rewire. Rewire use to be the thing at one time. If having a DAW as a VST was popular it would have been done by more developers. Only FL and EnergyXT have VSTs, I doubt you would see the above users buying a copy of Reason anytime soon because of being imported to VST,

If they import more Reason instruments to VST and make the price competitive that would work. I could see something like Redrum selling to less advanced users. It's very simple to use, choose your own sounds which so many emulators don't have. You wouldn't need a Kontakt license.

[kuhliloach]

I wish this wasn't the case, but, this does make good sense. The core Reason product has become a giant pig with way too much lipstick on it. I feel like ever since they crudely dumped their (amazing) SSL emulation on top of the existing product Reason has been like having your refrigerator in the bathroom. Refrigerators? Important. Bathrooms? Important. But there is a right and wrong way to incorporate the two, and Propellerhead has yet to find it. Then there's the sequencer. Guh... Being able to enjoy the Rack in the context of a proper DAW does seem very attractive.

[michal22]

I would also like it for four reasons:
1. Reason in rewire mode does not support delay compensation;
2. The players functionality in the rewire mode is incomplete;
3. Reason in rewire mode does not support VST;
4. Reason as VST would be easier to sampling in another DAW than the rewire version - you do not have to switch between the two programs.
For me, the rewire mode is unusable now. Too many things do not work.
Reason as VST plugin - I like this idea.

[PeterP]

Also, ReWire only works for midi in, audio out so you're limited to synths.

It doesn't work if you wanted to use Reason as a effect unit. It's a shame since there are some really nice ones like Alligator, Neptune and Synchronous that I'd like to use inside Ableton.

[Oquasec]

Yeah some daws actually lost these features cuz they disable their bridges for the host's bridge.

[michal22]

Also, ReWire only works for midi in, audio out so you're limited to synths.

It doesn't work if you wanted to use Reason as a effect unit. It's a shame since there are some really nice ones like Alligator, Neptune and Synchronous that I'd like to use inside Ableton.

Exactly. I agree in 100%. This is another good reason for the VST Reason.

[Crumbfort]

I still daydream about this daily... a Combinator VST with audio in, MIDI out... ah, would be brilliant.

[Oquasec]

So far Cubase treats rewire like Reason is a plugin and I am really loving it.

[Jackjackdaw]

So far Cubase treats rewire like Reason is a plugin and I am really loving it.

Can you record the midi from a Reason player into the Cubase sequencer?

[Oquasec]

Yep. The thing clamps onto Reason like it's reason.
Even works exactly like recycle.
The routing is instant.

[Boombastix]

So far Cubase treats rewire like Reason is a plugin and I am really loving it.

Nice to hear (Just got Cubase Pro myself)! After all Steinberg and PH developed Rewire together, so would expect it to work tight.

In the last year I have bought several VSTs that also exists as REs. A "VST combinator" would have me rethink that. But they way PH could open up the market to non-Reason users if they could put the REs in their DAW of choice with a VST wrapper - seems like a huge business opportunity to me. I don't know the Reason market share, but lets say it is around 10%. A VST wrapper and the accessible market is now x10 bigger. Come to think of it, weird that they haven't done it yet.

[Oquasec]

SteinBerg is this but with all the vst focus & midi channels.
Propellerhead is literally doing what steinberg did but for their own analog simulations.

[Crumbfort]

So far Cubase treats rewire like Reason is a plugin and I am really loving it.

Nice to hear (Just got Cubase Pro myself)! After all Steinberg and PH developed Rewire together, so would expect it to work tight.

In the last year I have bought several VSTs that also exists as REs. A "VST combinator" would have me rethink that. But they way PH could open up the market to non-Reason users if they could put the REs in their DAW of choice with a VST wrapper - seems like a huge business opportunity to me. I don't know the Reason market share, but lets say it is around 10%. A VST wrapper and the accessible market is now x10 bigger. Come to think of it, weird that they haven't done it yet.

I buy a fair amount of REs already, but if there was a VST Combinator of sorts I would DEFINITELY buy way more.

[Crumbfort]

It's been a bit, so I figured I'd bump this. I think about this quite a lot (big nerd that I am).

While I am really looking forward to what Reason 11 may bring, a Combinator VST is still my dream feature request. It would just be... amazing.

[Creativemind]

How would you automate the individual parameters in the other daw that Reason VST was loaded in?

[xylyx]

Metaplugin has its own automation parameters - you can map any contained plugins parameters to Metaplugin's, so I would think that the same could be done with a Combinator VST.

[owlymane]

The more I'm reading this topic the more the idea of rack VST is making sense. Do you think each instrument/channel in the rack VST can have its own mixer channel in the other DAWs? Since the rack is the VST would that mean that the whole rack would come out from one mixer channel? Enlighten me on this please

[Jackjackdaw]

I would imagine it would work like a drum machine VST. I’m thinking of Groove Agent which can output a stereo pair and individual drum tracks.

Doesn’t seem likely to me that Props will go down this road though.

[owlymane]

I would imagine it would work like a drum machine VST. I’m thinking of Groove Agent which can output a stereo pair and individual drum tracks.

Doesn’t seem likely to me that Props will go down this road though.

I see. Thx for the info

[Crumbfort]

It's happening! Woooooo!!!

https://www.propellerheads.com/en/reason/new

[PhillipOrdonez]

We were onto something

Can't wait for the end of the month!

[Loque]

Soo...when can ppl buy a single RE and use it another DAW?

[dandandaaan]

I'm feeling very, very smug (and hyped!) right now.

[Ahornberg]

Grain and Parsec are the 2 instruments I always wanted to use in Bitwig (no Rewire here). Now this will be possibe soon.

[PhillipOrdonez]

I wonder if it will be possible to use it as an effect unit as well? I hope so!

Edit: for anyone interested, YES! There is a effect option of the plugin so wet can use our Reason effects to treat other stuff in other daws!!!