Reason Stage - Reason 10 Concept For Live Performance On Stage

[trevorsonic]

Hi Reason lovers!

I know how we suffer when we want to perform a Reason project on the stage! I know I'm not alone.

For a long time I've been thinking about this concept and finding some time to explain how Reason can be perfect stage accompany for solo musicians or bands.
Finally I did this video. I hope you like and support to make it real for next update of Reason (hopefully) 10

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS5B6sslb9g


In this quick overview of my proposal: “Reason Stage” and “Reason 10” Concept (just illustration video NOT developed yet);

I’ve pointed 2 main important issues;
First; loading a song without using mouse/keyboard. (“Reason Stage” app.)
Second; playing a song without sequencer restrictions to make for enjoyable live performance.
I’d like to explain more about this concept and possibilities in finer detail in future videos. But for the purposes of this video; I am just proposing a quick overview of the project.

If you like this concept please join the discussion.
When we share ideas; they get one step closer to being realised.

Regards,
Trevor

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS5B6sslb9g

[dioxide]

I'd love to see some better live performance tools in Reason. I'm coming at this from a different angle and my live sets are closer to a DJ set, but I could really use multiple loop points for the beginning and ends of tracks. There is a lot to be learned from DJ software and controllers as they are simplified and streamlined for the task. I guess live audio loopers are the same. Going near the keyboard is a liability, especially with the B for Blocks and Space bar that interrupt the music. I sometimes map them to something else as they are too easy to click by accident.

I think having live switchable Blocks and better pattern sequencing would help. I've gone back to using Redrum for my drum sequencing and Matrixes to latch sequences on and off. Better Remote MIDI control of loop points would be good as it is too easy to miss the loop if you're manipulating loop markers in a live situation. I really wish that Input Focus button was bigger than 3mm square also. How am I supposed to hit that tiny button in a live situation? It can't be mapped to MIDI or even the QWERTY keys.

Finally for my purposes I'd like pitch bend and phase offset on the tempo so tracks can be nudged into time with other music. A long shot, but I can dream

[trevorsonic]

Hi dioxide,
As you said that your setup is more close to a DJ set; it is a bit out of my concept's scope. It is more for solo artist (guitar,keyboard sing etc.) or band with/without live drum. It can be thought an other kind of Reason project player for DJ set style performing, why not.
Thank you for your reply

[dioxide]

Hi dioxide,
As you said that your setup is more close to a DJ set; it is a bit out of my concept's scope. It is more for solo artist (guitar,keyboard sing etc.) or band with/without live drum. It can be thought an other kind of Reason project player for DJ set style performing, why not.
Thank you for your reply

Well I thought you meant to discuss things unless by "When we share ideas; they get one step closer to being realised" you meant "When I share my idea; it gets one step closer to being realised." I think it is fair to chime in with thoughts on live use as there is a lot of crossover. If Propellerhead were going to implement anything I think it would need to be wide ranging enough to suit a range of musicians.

[AttenuationHz]

I think the concept of live performance should be a thing. But in order to cater for that wide audience there should be a way of making it so you can mix two projects together first off. What I mean is when you open one project you can use reason itself be a host for the other projects or songs you have produced. Think of it like this: a dj would build his/her set in traktor or whatever software when he/she is mixing. To get to the next track one song is in sync to the other! With ReWire there are ways to do this. At the moment I do not know if there is any dj software that can host a ReWire device.

I Think there would have to be a completely different piece of software from Propellerhead that could host multiple Reason song files in order to truly achieve live performance within reason. It should also have the ability to mix non .rns files wav/mp3 if you really want to build your live sound set from a dj/produce perspective. So basically dj software. I would love for someone to make DJ software RE. It boggles the mind why there isn't one! I mean all controllers compatible with traktor and the likes are midi devices!

Currently though you could in theory use reason like in the concept. Instead of foot peddle triggering another loop point in the project you could just set it to solo/mute a progression.

[dioxide]

A long time ago there was an add on app called Liveset created by a small Italian company called PeterTools. They had a bunch of modules in a similar style to Reason's Rack that were designed for live use. Sadly they didn't continue to develop it, although the website is still online.
http://www.petertools.com/liveset/
http://www.soundonsound.com/news/live-p ... e-launched

Basically it implemented a load of stuff before Propellerhead built it into Reason. Some of this stuff still can't be done over 10 years later.

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[dioxide]

A couple more module close ups.

[dioxide]

If anyone is brave enough to try, there is still a Demo on the website, although only of version 1.0 so it excludes the Tempo Automation Module. Requirements are below.
http://www.petertools.com/downloads/default.asp?Type=1

Hardware requirements
• Intel Pentium 3 or better
• 633 MHz or faster
• 64 Megabytes of RAM
• CD-ROM drive, Windows 2000 or XP
• 256 color monitor (or better), 1024x768 or larger
• A Windows compatible audio card with ASIO drivers
• A MIDI interface and a MIDI keyboard (or similar)

[dioxide]

[dioxide]

There was also a third party utility for queuing up Reason songs. I've not tried any of these as I'm on OSX. The downloads links just point to the original publisher's website.

http://reason-tools.blogspot.com.es/200 ... y-10a.html
http://reason-tools.blogspot.com.es/200 ... t-12a.html
http://reason-tools.blogspot.com.es
http://www.scherzkeks.ch

https://web.archive.org/web/20100918191 ... &Itemid=60

The download link appears to still work, although please make sure you scan it for viruses!
https://web.archive.org/web/20100918191 ... _setup.exe

[AttenuationHz]

Any of them work with windows 10?

[dioxide]

Any of them work with windows 10?

Don't know. I'm on OSX so I missed out on all the fun even when they were new. I did try Hammer though.

[trevorsonic]

I need to clarify the things if not discussion is going out of scope.
There are tons of plugin, software bizareware etc. on the market which can not be used on the scene like I described.
I did't take DJ'ing in the scope because DJs are using a computer or turntable and they can give all attention to the application but a performer guitar / keyboard or sax; can't spend their time in front of computer.
Computer should serve beside and performer enjoy while performing.

So, "Reason Stage" is for musician who play solo or in a band, it works hands free, send/receive MIDI messages, clock... everything for a musician can need.

DJ'ing is; hands on the computer or turntable; they can use ableton live, tractor, winamp whatever.

I'm highlighting an unique functionality in the concept which is not exist on the music industry.

Thank you for joining discussion but "scope" is important

Cheers!

[AttenuationHz]

I need to clarify the things if not discussion is going out of scope.
There are tons of plugin, software bizareware etc. on the market which can not be used on the scene like I described.
I did't take DJ'ing in the scope because DJs are using a computer or turntable and they can give all attention to the application but a performer guitar / keyboard or sax; can't spend their time in front of computer.
Computer should serve beside and performer enjoy while performing.

So, "Reason Stage" is for musician who play solo or in a band, it works hands free, send/receive MIDI messages, clock... everything for a musician can need.

DJ'ing is; hands on the computer or turntable; they can use ableton live, tractor, winamp whatever.

I'm highlighting an unique functionality in the concept which is not exist on the music industry.

Thank you for joining discussion but "scope" is important

Cheers!

Scope is important your right. Are you talking broad scope or narrow scope? Broad scope would work and cater for everyone. Its pretty narrow minded to be thinking the way you are to be honest with you. I see your concept and I know where you are coming from. But reason was built to cater for producers and DJ's of the club genre. Do you expect that aspect of reason not to be included in your scope. You can do what you want to do right now in reason if you just put a little more thought into it.

I am not knocking your idea at all I think it would be great for a live performer. But is that all the concept could do?

[trevorsonic]

Scope is not narrow.
Scope is using Reason on the stage with in band or with solo artist who "perform". So hands free, it means a person who plays guitar/keyboard + sing can not be distracted with mouse keyboard on the stage. This is not home/studio. I'm focusing on that functionality.
DJ'ing is not performing in the same way. It comes from changing vinyls, then CD, then mp3. DJ hasn't attention to be handsfree instead; hands on his player to control.
So I repeat scope is not narrow if you see the focus point. In a development if you loose the focus product be come meaningless.
I'm working on more detailed video about the concept. Soon I'll add here.

By the way I'd like to highlight that; "No any sequencer on the market is doing; what my concept is doing " Ableton Live included. If you take the stage as a musician with computer you'll understand what's that mean. It is painful being sticky all the time one/two hand(s) on the keyboard, mouse + eyes on the screen with full attention. Audience expecting from you to be there, with them, but you're on the scene with your computer. I've experienced all those things, horrible

[thefixr]

I know this is outside of your scope, but here is how I use Reason live where I seamlessly go through what was technically 4 separate Reason projects. All of this is in real time:

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[calebbrennan]

Trevorsonic

Great post
Scope is using Reason on the stage with in band or with solo artist who "perform". So hands free, it means a person who plays guitar/keyboard + sing can not be distracted with mouse keyboard on the stage.

No sequencer on the market is doing; what my concept is doing " Ableton Live included.

It is painful being sticky all the time one/two hand(s) on the keyboard, mouse + eyes on the screen with full attention.
Audience expecting from you to be there, with them,.

[calebbrennan]

Trev your idea is great and suited more to a Band or Solo artist looping.

Dj's have there own way of mashing up audio that's great and I did like thefixer's set above very cool.

But your idea is very noteworthy

[calebbrennan]

Attenuationhz :

"Are you talking broad scope or narrow scope? Broad scope would work and cater for everyone.

Its pretty narrow minded to be thinking the way you are to be honest with you"

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Mr Attenuationhz
You are thinking in the DJ box ( self admittedly) you said:

"....reason was built to cater for producers and DJ's of the club genre._
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What?.................... No it was not
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. Attenuationhz:

"You can do what you want to do right now in reason if you just put a little more thought into it.
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Great I expect your tutorial on how to do what he is proposing.

[submonsterz]

Any of them work with windows 10?

Petertools does install and run on win 10.
But it would only in rewire preferences on install only find flstudio / rebirth and and asio4all rewire.
It would not find reason rewire at all.
Also the menu item drop downs did not seem to work but
Could select modules etc via right click menu on screen.

[QVprod]

Ableton Live doesn't do this exactly, but it is pretty close. The only thing it wont do is automatically move to the next section, you'll have to trigger it. Alot of keyboard players use it though for playing back multitracks of songs. They switch scenes using a midi controller. A guitarist could do the same with a foot controller similar to the one in your video. You can have different songs included in your scene selection or songs on different audio channels and soloing each for a set number of scenes

Some examples; Note you can use any controller you want, doesn't have to one of the 'made for Lve' ones.

He uses a mouse in this one to demonstrate, but can be launched with a controller same as in first video.

[tybband]

@Trevorsonic... I like where you are going with this. I'd like to suggest the addition of a 'tap tempo' button or even better some kind of tempo follower that could track a live input signal and adjust the playback to follow the live performer.

[AttenuationHz]

Attenuationhz :

"Are you talking broad scope or narrow scope? Broad scope would work and cater for everyone.

Its pretty narrow minded to be thinking the way you are to be honest with you"

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Mr Attenuationhz
You are thinking in the DJ box ( self admittedly) you said:

"....reason was built to cater for producers and DJ's of the club genre._
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What?.................... No it was not
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. Attenuationhz:

"You can do what you want to do right now in reason if you just put a little more thought into it.
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Great I expect your tutorial on how to do what he is proposing.

And that's your opinion is it? You expect me to make a tutorial on how to do all of that do you. You might be waiting a lifetime. Have a little think on how it can be done its very easy actually.

[calebbrennan]

Postby AttenuationHz » 22 Oct 2016

"And that's your opinion is it? You expect me to make a tutorial on how to do all of that do you. You might be waiting a lifetime. Have a little think on how it can be done its very easy actually"

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Caleb:

"we're all here to help each other otherwise what is the purpose of this forum?

for me it is to learn from more experienced users and solve problems.

I wasn't asking for a full tutorial

Just a paragraph ,.....because you state its very simple.

I have read the manual and people learn in different ways

you could be gracious and share a few clues.

[Carly(Poohbear)]

Postby AttenuationHz » 22 Oct 2016

"And that's your opinion is it? You expect me to make a tutorial on how to do all of that do you. You might be waiting a lifetime. Have a little think on how it can be done its very easy actually"

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Caleb:

"we're all here to help each other otherwise what is the purpose of this forum?

for me it is to learn from more experienced users and solve problems.

I wasn't asking for a full tutorial

Just a paragraph ,.....because you state its very simple.

I have read the manual and people learn in different ways

you could be gracious and share a few clues.

Please use the quotes when quoting someone

Can you please use the quote "" button (or tags

Quote[/ quote] (space needs to be removed between the "[/" and "quote]" for it to work.) as your posts are hard to read of who wrote what...