Ghost Copies Within a Combinator

[Creativemind]

Hi All!

I just discovered something on the Combinator I didn't know you could do. You can duplicate a device within a combinator by ctrl dragging the said device. I was doing it with a Subtractor. You must make sure you don't drag it out of the combinator when duplicating.

Anyway, what I was trying to do was, add voices to a Subtractor and slightly detune each one an extra cent to try and get that big unison sound.

So firstly I added a combinator, then a 16:2 mixer, then a Subtractor. I did an experimental little patch then ctrl dragged another 5 into the combi.

Firstly, I noticed that the first Subtractor was the only one that was playing. On Tabbing to the back of the rack, I discovered, the first Subtractor was the only one wired into the mixer, into channel 1 of the 16:2 mixer. So I manually wired the other 5 Subtractors up to channels 2-6 on the 16:2 mixer. Then I thought, what if I wanted to then tweak the first Subtractor patch again, the others obviously wouldn't tweak along with.

I then had a brainwave. Being able to do 'Ghost' copies of instruments within a combi would be brilliant. So you ghost copy a device, then that duplicated instrument would be frozen, but any tweaks you do on the master instrument/device (the first one) would then be altered correspondingly on any said ghosted devices. Good idea? You would obviously again, have to wire up the other ghosted devices, or have a way of getting them to automatically wire up.

Thanks!

[normen]

But in your example you need the tuning of your synths to be different...?

Otherwise, you can assign a knob on a combinator to multiple devices.

[mcatalao]

About the wiring, you can shift select the remaing duplicated devices, ctrl+right click and select "Auto Route Device".

Maybe the naming Ghost device is not the best one, but rather Linked devices? Like when you link the 2 sides of a dual channel compressor to work as a stereo compressor or a dual compressor.

Anyway it would be interesting, and you already can do it to some extent, if you use the combinator buttons to control multiple the same thing in multiple devices. You are however bound to 4 rotators and 4 buttons.

[mcatalao]

hehe, normen got to the combinator solution too. And faster!

[Creativemind]

But in your example you need the tuning of your synths to be different...?

Otherwise, you can assign a knob on a combinator to multiple devices.

Yeah good point, but if you linked it wouldn't necessarily work either. Cause if they linked, when you adjusted the cent on the 2nd one it would adjust on them all etc. Adding voices (if that's technically correct) would be the best thing. 'Cause I want 6 Subtractors with the same patch, but all detuned slightly in the cent but all adjustable (in any other parameter) accordingly with the first Subtractor.

[Creativemind]

About the wiring, you can shift select the remaing duplicated devices, ctrl+right click and select "Auto Route Device".

That's interesting. Not at home at the moment so can't try that out. Will do later, can't wait.

[normen]

Yeah good point, but if you linked it wouldn't necessarily work either. Cause if they linked, when you adjusted the cent on the 2nd one it would adjust on them all etc. Adding voices (if that's technically correct) would be the best thing. 'Cause I want 6 Subtractors with the same patch, but all detuned slightly in the cent but all adjustable (in any other parameter) accordingly with the first Subtractor.

Well thats basically what the Multi Osc in Thor is for right?

[Creativemind]

So how does this 'assigning a knob' to multiple devices work in regard to detuning the cent on 6 different Subtractors?

[normen]

So how does this 'assigning a knob' to multiple devices work in regard to detuning the cent on 6 different Subtractors?

Well I didn't say its a solution to the problem you didn't mention.. It was the solution to moving multiple knobs simultaneously. But anyway you could assign different ranges for the knob, e.g. from -64 to 64 for one and 64 to -64 to another. Or just "slant" them slightly by assigning -64 to 60 to one and -60 to 64 for another.

[mcatalao]

Why not using the combinator knobs and buttons for what you want to change equally in all devices, and the detuning manual?

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[normen]

Why not using the combinator knobs and buttons for what you want to change equally in all devices, and the detuning manual?

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Heh, that was my initial suggestion, maybe I phrased it badly

[mcatalao]

There's something I don't get, if you are going for a unison/detuned sound, why not using one single device and reason unison? It would save you work and CPU...

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[normen]

There's something I don't get, if you are going for a unison/detuned sound, why not using one single device and reason unison? It would save you work and CPU...

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Or as I said simply use the Multi Osc in Thor

[mcatalao]

Yep but that would be limited to thor, right? I really like Reasons unison I dont see a reason not to use it. Simple effective device, no cpu cost at all.

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[Creativemind]

'Cause when I've used Unison, it somehow doesn't sound right. I don't know. Maybe when I get home I will try and post a couple of examples and show you.

I could use the multi-oscialltor on Thor but that doesn't help me with a Subtractor patch lol!