Re: Full MPE support (Roli users unite!)
Posted: 01 Dec 2017
Holy sh!t
Not just aimed at you as I quoted but don't everyone here think getting full basic midi support is a first line need before jumping the gun and requesting other stuff first really let's actually full something not half baked stuff before jumping to things that are not as important as the basic multi channel midi etc etc etc really let's ask to get basics first in order before jumping to a new shop.
While we wait for MPE, the EXP1 Expression Processor Rack Extension works extremely well with LinnStrument for expressive monophonic control.33db wrote:Roli Seaboard works with Reason but it's a PITA to set up.
I also found this:
I’d settle for polyphonic aftertouch....since my main keyboard uses it for its most expressive patches. Reason would be fantastic if only it allowed things like SysEx and NRPNs, etc....unfortunately it’s MIDI implementation is one of its weakest points and the one I really NEED to use, since I’m largely hardware-based.clader wrote: ↑14 May 2016Would LOVE to see full support for Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression in all native PH instruments and in the SDK.
http://expressiveness.org/2015/04/24/mi ... ession-mpe
I've recently jumped on the Roli Seaboard Rise wagon and would love to take advantage of its full capabilities in Reason.
The synth that ships with the Rise (Equator) would be amazing to have in Reason, but I don't need to get into the vst/au debate here.
There are a good number of instruments/synths outside is Reason which are begining to support this standard (Kontakt, Omnisphere, Pulse to name a few), but support is still far from pervasive.
But I think PH with their proprietary "walled garden" approach to RE's are in a unique position to, with one fell swoop, enable MPE support on all their instruments (and provide an easy path for RE devs to just "switch on" MPE for their instruments.
Just think if PH could make MPE supported/available/easy and got a majority of its RE's supporting it, then Reason could be the go-to DAW for all Roli (or linnstrument or other MPE controller) owners and that would be a huge draw to the userbase.
Just my 2 cents.
What is the problem with midi and reason? I am a new Reason user and I didn't know about MIDI implementation issues with it.jimmyklane wrote: ↑18 May 2018I’d settle for polyphonic aftertouch....since my main keyboard uses it for its most expressive patches. Reason would be fantastic if only it allowed things like SysEx and NRPNs, etc....unfortunately it’s MIDI implementation is one of its weakest points and the one I really NEED to use, since I’m largely hardware-based.clader wrote: ↑14 May 2016Would LOVE to see full support for Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression in all native PH instruments and in the SDK.
http://expressiveness.org/2015/04/24/mi ... ession-mpe
I've recently jumped on the Roli Seaboard Rise wagon and would love to take advantage of its full capabilities in Reason.
The synth that ships with the Rise (Equator) would be amazing to have in Reason, but I don't need to get into the vst/au debate here.
There are a good number of instruments/synths outside is Reason which are begining to support this standard (Kontakt, Omnisphere, Pulse to name a few), but support is still far from pervasive.
But I think PH with their proprietary "walled garden" approach to RE's are in a unique position to, with one fell swoop, enable MPE support on all their instruments (and provide an easy path for RE devs to just "switch on" MPE for their instruments.
Just think if PH could make MPE supported/available/easy and got a majority of its RE's supporting it, then Reason could be the go-to DAW for all Roli (or linnstrument or other MPE controller) owners and that would be a huge draw to the userbase.
Just my 2 cents.
No MIDI channels inside Reason, so no MPE support.
But on the hardware interface part (on top) I can see the 16 channels and I can assign that to different things (I tried combinator + multiple thor and they work with the seaboard). I am quite newbie-ish so I could be wrong.
That's true, but for MPE to work you need to send a bunch of MIDI channels (1 + the numer of polyphonic notes you want to play) to one synth (that's quite easy to do e.g. with Diva in Bitwig) - or you use a bunch of synths with the same sound-patch set up, but that's not an intuitive solution because you end up with a lot of MIDI tracks inside Reason.
It's that MIDI inside of Reason only supports CC messages. You cannot receive NRPN or SysEx data, you cannot receive poly aftertouch (just channel aftertouch) the sequencer is built for internal devices as opposed to something like Cubase where it was designed from the start to sequence external hardware before hard-disk recording even existed.Foxandxss wrote: ↑20 May 2018What is the problem with midi and reason? I am a new Reason user and I didn't know about MIDI implementation issues with it.jimmyklane wrote: ↑18 May 2018
I’d settle for polyphonic aftertouch....since my main keyboard uses it for its most expressive patches. Reason would be fantastic if only it allowed things like SysEx and NRPNs, etc....unfortunately it’s MIDI implementation is one of its weakest points and the one I really NEED to use, since I’m largely hardware-based.
PS: I am a seaboard user as well and I would like MPE support.
I too have a Seaboard Block and it works wonderfully with Reason for solo instruments such as the SWAM strings bundle which I own. Of course, with a mostly monophonic instrument, it works well inside Reason. Although an update to the SWAM instruments will be coming sometime in the future will allow users to bend and express two simultaneous notes differently in the current dual mode, so will be missing out on that feature inside Reason until Propellerhead adds MPE support.wireless wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018I have literally just taken the plunge and purchased a Seabord Blocks keyboard. The delivery man is literally 24 minutes away as I pen this message!!!!!!
I am personally very keen to have MPE added to Reason, but perhaps having committed to MPE at an instrument level I am now at a point where I may need to transition to Reaper (where recording MPE has been achieved but also the editing of MPE is apparently well thought through) or less likely but possibly Bitwig or Live or Traktion..... It's not like I can use Reason as my main DAW and Rewire in a more capable DAW, since Reason Rewires as a slave and not as a master as I understand it, so I may have to make a move.
Departing my love affair with Reason after all this time would be very very sad.
Actually, the primary catalyst in my using Reason currently is that Bitwig 2.0 came out with completely botched/useless MIDI channel routing. No channel information is stored in their clips to this day -- it's their primary selling point for 2.4, in fact!
I guess I didn't mention it but I'm using a Linnstrument.