Europa phase feature request

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riemac
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05 Mar 2019

It would be great, if it would be possible to adjust the phase of a wave in Europa.
Or is this possible already?

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Loque
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05 Mar 2019

Yes, should be added somehow.

You can use Phase Bend modifier, which isn't the same, load a wavetable where you can select two phase offsets or paint your waves.
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dusan.cani
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05 Mar 2019

riemac wrote:
05 Mar 2019
It would be great, if it would be possible to adjust the phase of a wave in Europa.
Or is this possible already?
In the unison module you can create another instance(s) of the same wave and change the phase between them. It's the "phase only" mode for unison. Set "count" to 2, "blend" to 100% and "spread" to 0%. Now you can hear the typical phase offset changes in the waveform if you change the "detune" param.

You can also modulate the phase by LFO to simulate the detuning. And if you change the initial value of the phase you can get the soft or hard initial attack in the detuned waveform. So you have locked phase of the detuned copies but you change the offset between them to get soft or hard attack. You can hear it in the attached examples (europa-detuned-soft-attack.mp3 + europa-detuned-hard-attack.mp3)

And you can get various phasing effects by modulating the "detune" parameter. It could be different than typical detune as you can hear from examples "europa-phase-mod.mp3" and "europa-phase-mod2.mp3".

There are also reason source files in the zip archive If you want to play with it.
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dusan.cani
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05 Mar 2019

The other two examples...
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dusan.cani
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05 Mar 2019

...As the detuning with locked phase is most prominent on square type waves here are some examples on square.
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scratchnsnifff
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08 Mar 2019

I agree with this. Also they really should add the standard bend + and bend - modes.

Phase distor is awesome and sounds great. But there is no better bass sounds than having FM mixed with bend + on the modulator

Europa is in such a weird phase imo. It seems like it’s almost there, but is still missing a couple of features that would make it better than most. I love Europa, but it would be nice to have the inter oscillator fM instead of the modifier. I would hope for FM through the mod matrix so you could use the modifiers on top of the FM sound.

Europa is a killer synth as it stands. But it’s weird that there isn’t a phase knob in the oscillator section. Most (if not all) synths with unison have this. At the same time, At least we can make the detune laser sound using the phase sync on/off
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