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chaosroyale
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Post 11 May 2021

Izotope Imager for free is a must-get. Essential.

that RE..hmm..I had never seen it before! My instinct is that strictly as a mix tool for mono recordings, it certainly sounds pretty good, but I think you could get 80% of the way pretty quickly with careful use of room ambience reverbs inserted on each instrument. I would be very interested to see exactly what techniques they are using, especially if they are preserving phase and mono compatibility.

Seems like they stopped making REs in 2015, maybe they are not active any more?
integerpoet wrote:
11 May 2021
It's better than that now; it's free — or anyway for the price of your email address and dealing with Izotope Product Portal. :-) I have to agree that it seems like magic. It's one of the few VSTs I am tempted to use in real projects. If you love this VST, I wonder what you think of ReStereo, which I have considered on and off for years and should probably trial because I do prefer pure RE projects. When I first saw (heard) the demo video, I thought of it similar magical things but had no need of it at the time.

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Post 11 May 2021

chaosroyale wrote:
11 May 2021
Izotope Imager for free is a must-get. Essential.

that RE..hmm..I had never seen it before! My instinct is that strictly as a mix tool for mono recordings, it certainly sounds pretty good, but I think you could get 80% of the way pretty quickly with careful use of room ambience reverbs inserted on each instrument. I would be very interested to see exactly what techniques they are using, especially if they are preserving phase and mono compatibility.
Indeed it seems the main thrust of Imager is adjusting the width of a signal which is already stereo, but it also has two different ways to stereo-ize a mono signal and then mess with its width. This second part is what I thought might be interesting to compare and contrast with ReStereo.

As far as "you could get 80% of the way pretty quickly with careful use of room ambience reverbs", that sounds too much like work for an 80% solution :-), but I certainly agree that solving an actual problem is more important than applying a particular solution.

chaosroyale
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Post 11 May 2021

when I say pretty quickly, I mean as part of standard mixing techniques with the various verbs you would already have on hand, just a few seconds, probably as quick or quicker than loading in a new plugin and setting it up!

I am not sure this RE would work at all on actual stereo signals because -if I am reading it correctly - it is based on modeling the delays and reflections from a single source at a point in a space, not a whole bunch of sources in all kinds of locations around a space. Likewise the demos all showed it being used one instance per sound source, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it or look at the manual or anything, so I could be wrong.
integerpoet wrote:
11 May 2021
chaosroyale wrote:
11 May 2021
Izotope Imager for free is a must-get. Essential.

that RE..hmm..I had never seen it before! My instinct is that strictly as a mix tool for mono recordings, it certainly sounds pretty good, but I think you could get 80% of the way pretty quickly with careful use of room ambience reverbs inserted on each instrument. I would be very interested to see exactly what techniques they are using, especially if they are preserving phase and mono compatibility.
Indeed it seems the main thrust of Imager is adjusting the width of a signal which is already stereo, but it also has two different ways to stereo-ize a mono signal and then mess with its width. This second part is what I thought might be interesting to compare and contrast with ReStereo.

As far as "you could get 80% of the way pretty quickly with careful use of room ambience reverbs", that sounds too much like work for an 80% solution :-), but I certainly agree that solving an actual problem is more important than applying a particular solution.

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