Understanding europas adsr

[sleep1979]

Compared to other synths sorry esiyes this wrong

[Timmy Crowne]

Good observations. Yes, audio devices aren’t standardized across with respect to format or features. As for your questions:
Damping usually refers to decreasing high-frequency amplitude with each reflection or echo in a delay or reverb device, so the audio will sound darker with each repeat.

Europa doesn’t have a dedicated filter envelope; it has 4 vector-based envelopes that can be routed to anything, including the filter. You can do this on the filter module itself or using the modulation mixer at the bottom. If you use a traditional ADSR, you may be used to having millisecond values for each envelope stage. You won’t have that feedback when using Europa’s envelopes but you can set the total envelope length and then eyeball the length of each stage.

And you’re correct that the DDL-1 doesn’t have spread or damp settings. The Echo has those features though!

Besides Reason’s manual, this is a good resource for familiarizing yourself with audio production terms:
https://www.recordingconnection.com/glossary/

Hope this helps.

[mjxl]

Mix or dry/wet is the same. You "mix" in the wet/dry signal.
So full mix is wet, no mix is dry.

Thor has an "analogue" envelope, Europa has a drawable envelope. There are a couple preset envelopes that resembles a normal envelope (in Europa)

Spread would be pingpong amount i assume.

[Loque]

For beginners probably everything is confusing. Nowadays i just understand most stuff of the tutorials.

If you have any concrete questions, just ask them here and we help.


Damping is in most cases lowering the gain of frequencies in each re-verberation (echo) step to simulate absorption of reflecting material. check this out: https://en.audiofanzine.com/getting-sta ... mping.html

Europa has envelops in the center area, shown as editable curves, which can be freely assigned. You need to paint your ADSR (or AR, ADR, ASR, AHDSR, ....) for yourself. In general a envelope has several phases to shape the amplitude of the sound (Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release in most cases) which can be mapped to envelope-shaping curve which is displayed in Europas Envelops.

[sleep1979]

Good observations. Yes, audio devices aren’t standardized across with respect to format or features. As for your questions:
Damping usually refers to decreasing high-frequency amplitude with each reflection or echo in a delay or reverb device, so the audio will sound darker with each repeat.

Europa doesn’t have a dedicated filter envelope; it has 4 vector-based envelopes that can be routed to anything, including the filter. You can do this on the filter module itself or using the modulation mixer at the bottom. If you use a traditional ADSR, you may be used to having millisecond values for each envelope stage. You won’t have that feedback when using Europa’s envelopes but you can set the total envelope length and then eyeball the length of each stage.

And you’re correct that the DDL-1 doesn’t have spread or damp settings. The Echo has those features though!

Besides Reason’s manual, this is a good resource for familiarizing yourself with audio production terms:
https://www.recordingconnection.com/glossary/

Hope this helps.

THANKS MAte that helped me to understand straight away , i treated it like a filter or eq slope and i get it straighaway ( europa ) cheers bud
ps i only have intro dont have echo but thanks

[sleep1979]

For beginners probably everything is confusing. Nowadays i just understand most stuff of the tutorials.

If you have any concrete questions, just ask them here and we help.


Damping is in most cases lowering the gain of frequencies in each re-verberation (echo) step to simulate absorption of reflecting material. check this out: https://en.audiofanzine.com/getting-sta ... mping.html

Europa has envelops in the center area, shown as editable curves, which can be freely assigned. You need to paint your ADSR (or AR, ADR, ASR, AHDSR, ....) for yourself. In general a envelope has several phases to shape the amplitude of the sound (Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release in most cases) which can be mapped to envelope-shaping curve which is displayed in Europas Envelops.

OK so bascially you have to map it yourself if you want analog adsr

so patch 1 is what i was doing drawing elvelopes and patch 2 is what u said ( mapping the amp ) am i along the right lines ( on europa ?)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/mra6sah5 ... patch/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/bx4cjbs3 ... patch/file

[jam-s]

so when following tutorials they show you one plug in , ie thor has an filter envelope ( i can not see one on europa )
some delays have a spread some havent got a spread
some have a mix knob some don't have that but they have a damp knob ,
someone explain these things to me so i can move on ,
as i'm learning from one set of tutorials but applying them to the plug ins i have is confusing me ,. so
what is a damp knob ? is it a mix knob kinda ?
and where is europas filter envelope ? it must be the curve thing right ? but how confusing if i learn the thor way ADSR - how do i relate that to europa ?
and reasons ddl doesnt even have a spread or a damp
im confused help me so i can move on to the next level of my life lol

That are all good the reasons to actually read the manuals of the (virtual) gear you have got.

[sleep1979]

so when following tutorials they show you one plug in , ie thor has an filter envelope ( i can not see one on europa )
some delays have a spread some havent got a spread
some have a mix knob some don't have that but they have a damp knob ,
someone explain these things to me so i can move on ,
as i'm learning from one set of tutorials but applying them to the plug ins i have is confusing me ,. so
what is a damp knob ? is it a mix knob kinda ?
and where is europas filter envelope ? it must be the curve thing right ? but how confusing if i learn the thor way ADSR - how do i relate that to europa ?
and reasons ddl doesnt even have a spread or a damp
im confused help me so i can move on to the next level of my life lol

That are all good the reasons to actually read the manuals of the (virtual) gear you have got.

Its funny i actually just did read it and i got some good results earlier , its true ( read the manual ) but i dont totaly get how the envelops curve relates to ie -attack ( guess thats like a fade in poin? the. Sustain ( the sustain point obvs ) decay ? And is release is that controlled by the beat sync knob ? Im getting there , its just i watched syntorial learning one type of envelope and this ones all new to me thanks for yoir advice

[sleep1979]

Thanks everyone i think i got the idea of the envelope in relation to adsr ( looking at my aeon organic plugin , is there not a way to make the envelope release though aside from letting go of the keys i could seem to draw the release line shorter than the window cheers

[Loque]

For beginners probably everything is confusing. Nowadays i just understand most stuff of the tutorials.

If you have any concrete questions, just ask them here and we help.


Damping is in most cases lowering the gain of frequencies in each re-verberation (echo) step to simulate absorption of reflecting material. check this out: https://en.audiofanzine.com/getting-sta ... mping.html

Europa has envelops in the center area, shown as editable curves, which can be freely assigned. You need to paint your ADSR (or AR, ADR, ASR, AHDSR, ....) for yourself. In general a envelope has several phases to shape the amplitude of the sound (Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release in most cases) which can be mapped to envelope-shaping curve which is displayed in Europas Envelops.

OK so bascially you have to map it yourself if you want analog adsr

so patch 1 is what i was doing drawing elvelopes and patch 2 is what u said ( mapping the amp ) am i along the right lines ( on europa ?)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/mra6sah5 ... patch/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/bx4cjbs3 ... patch/file

I do not have much time in the moment. Maybe this helps you do create the right envelope and to understand how this relates to ADSR:

[sleep1979]

OK so bascially you have to map it yourself if you want analog adsr

so patch 1 is what i was doing drawing elvelopes and patch 2 is what u said ( mapping the amp ) am i along the right lines ( on europa ?)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/mra6sah5 ... patch/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/bx4cjbs3 ... patch/file

I do not have much time in the moment. Maybe this helps you do create the right envelope and to understand how this relates to ADSR:

Im really starting to get it but i prefer the sound of thor over europa