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22 Jul 2017



Hey all, anyone have any ideas on where to start in emulating the keys on this awesome DJ Shadow track. I have Expense, Antidote and VK2 synths. Thanks as always.
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I love DJ Shadow and Endtroducing... is my favorite album.

But he's sampling a Finnish jazz record from 1974. The sound is credited as 'electric piano' but google's telling me it's a Fender Rhodes. Just from my ears it's being run through a Leslie speaker, because I don't think there were any phasor effects that were as subtle in 74 as the one on this track.



Edit: I'm basing that it's a Rhodes from this messageboard thread, you can hear other examples of it there.
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I love DJ Shadow and Endtroducing... is my favorite album.

But he's sampling a Finnish jazz record from 1974. The sound is credited as 'electric piano' but google's telling me it's a Fender Rhodes. Just from my ears it's being run through a Leslie speaker, because I don't think there were any phasor effects that were as subtle in 74 as the one on this track.



Edit: I'm basing that it's a Rhodes from this messageboard thread, you can hear other examples of it there.
Perfect explanation - thanks so much. I have somewhere to start now.
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That's amazing how someone can take pieces of other peoples tracks and put their name on it like that, wow! Not even credit given or anything :(

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That's amazing how someone can take pieces of other peoples tracks and put their name on it like that, wow! Not even credit given or anything :(
It's not like that actually. I mean, Endtroducing... is known as one of the first completely sampled albums. (It's about 99.98% samples.) DJ Shadow married the woman who cleared the samples for him even. Yeah, the samples he uses aren't on the liner notes, but I was on DJ Shadow mailing list back in 1997 and everyone was in the process of discovering where the samples came from. (I even figured one out.) I personally think his drum programming is to be studied, and his artistry is to be celebrated. But as I said, it's my favorite album. I am always hearing new layers in it.
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aeox wrote:
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That's amazing how someone can take pieces of other peoples tracks and put their name on it like that, wow! Not even credit given or anything :(
It's not like that actually. I mean, Endtroducing... is known as one of the first completely sampled albums. (It's about 99.98% samples.) DJ Shadow married the woman who cleared the samples for him even. Yeah, the samples he uses aren't on the liner notes, but I was on DJ Shadow mailing list back in 1997 and everyone was in the process of discovering where the samples came from. (I even figured one out.) I personally think his drum programming is to be studied, and his artistry is to be celebrated. But as I said, it's my favorite album. I am always hearing new layers in it.
Well if they are cleared then that would be perfectly ok :D I guess it's a art in itself that I never really took the time to acknowledge or appreciate. I suppose I was a bit hasty with my comment.

Thanks for clearing that up!

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Anyone know the best vintage Rhodes emulation Re or Combi Patch, plus the best Phaser to use to try and achieve those rich deep tones? I spent hours last night attempting this but can't get near the depth of sound. Maybe what I need is a Leslie speaker Re?
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ThisIsNotTheMusic wrote:
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Anyone know the best vintage Rhodes emulation Re or Combi Patch, plus the best Phaser to use to try and achieve those rich deep tones? I spent hours last night attempting this but can't get near the depth of sound. Maybe what I need is a Leslie speaker Re?
There is a Leslie Speaker RE. It's called Rotor. It's a winner.

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ThisIsNotTheMusic wrote:
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Anyone know the best vintage Rhodes emulation Re or Combi Patch, plus the best Phaser to use to try and achieve those rich deep tones? I spent hours last night attempting this but can't get near the depth of sound. Maybe what I need is a Leslie speaker Re?
There is a Leslie Speaker RE. It's called Rotor. It's a winner.
Great! I will download a trial version of it for sure. I still am struggling to see how to get the depth and richness to the sound, but will persevere. This should be another step n the right direction. :shock:
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There is a Leslie Speaker RE. It's called Rotor. It's a winner.
Great! I will download a trial version of it for sure. I still am struggling to see how to get the depth and richness to the sound, but will persevere. This should be another step n the right direction. :shock:
What do you mean by depth and richness?

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Well anyway, I was bored and tried to recreate it. (excuse my terrible keyboard playing ^.^)

https://clyp.it/arkm4nsp

Waves Electric200 VST on init patch (Edit: from a comment below, I see the Electric 88 would be the proper emulation :P)

Effects chain:

Little bit of Tube saturation.

(free) T2 Phaser RE on default testing with minor adjustments.

Any kind of reverb with a pretty short decay and low dry/wet ratio.

iZotope Vinyl - Settings to taste.

Audiomatic - Tape setting (I don't know.. I just chucked it on there lol)
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Well anyway, I was bored and tried to recreate it. (excuse my terrible keyboard playing ^.^)

https://clyp.it/arkm4nsp

Waves Electric200 VST on init patch (Edit: from a comment below, I see the Electric 88 would be the proper emulation :P)

Effects chain:

Little bit of Tube saturation.

(free) T2 Phaser RE on default testing with minor adjustments.

Any kind of reverb with a pretty short decay and low dry/wet ratio.

iZotope Vinyl - Settings to taste.

Audiomatic - Tape setting (I don't know.. I just chucked it on there lol)
Hey that is pretty damn good! And can always edit midi haha! Depth and richness? Well, I think your effects chain has nailed it. Looks like I'm in for another busy night : )

I don't have a Waves VST, but I'm trialing Radical Keys which has a few Rhodes patches. Can I also ask the chords for this, I don't have much keyboard skill and not sure I trust my ear either - I spent many hours last night and ended up deleting the file. Anyway, thanks for all your sterling input. Top marks! :thumbs_up:
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ThisIsNotTheMusic wrote:
26 Jul 2017
aeox wrote:
26 Jul 2017
Well anyway, I was bored and tried to recreate it. (excuse my terrible keyboard playing ^.^)

https://clyp.it/arkm4nsp

Waves Electric200 VST on init patch (Edit: from a comment below, I see the Electric 88 would be the proper emulation :P)

Effects chain:

Little bit of Tube saturation.

(free) T2 Phaser RE on default testing with minor adjustments.

Any kind of reverb with a pretty short decay and low dry/wet ratio.

iZotope Vinyl - Settings to taste.

Audiomatic - Tape setting (I don't know.. I just chucked it on there lol)
Hey that is pretty damn good! And can always edit midi haha! Depth and richness? Well, I think your effects chain has nailed it. Looks like I'm in for another busy night : )

I don't have a Waves VST, but I'm trialing Radical Keys which has a few Rhodes patches. Can I also ask the chords for this, I don't have much keyboard skill and not sure I trust my ear either - I spent many hours last night and ended up deleting the file. Anyway, thanks for all your sterling input. Top marks! :thumbs_up:
Yea no problem.

The chords aren't the same as the original song but I just tried to play something similar sounding. I've no clue what chords they are as I just do it by ear but here is the midi!
chords.zip
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aeox wrote:
24 Jul 2017

Well if they are cleared then that would be perfectly ok :D I guess it's a art in itself that I never really took the time to acknowledge or appreciate. I suppose I was a bit hasty with my comment.

Thanks for clearing that up!
Aeox - there's a Song Exploder episode on DJ Shadow, in which he talks through the process of putting a track together. It's only about 15 mins and is well worth a listen. It's here:

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Hey that is pretty damn good! And can always edit midi haha! Depth and richness? Well, I think your effects chain has nailed it. Looks like I'm in for another busy night : )

I don't have a Waves VST, but I'm trialing Radical Keys which has a few Rhodes patches. Can I also ask the chords for this, I don't have much keyboard skill and not sure I trust my ear either - I spent many hours last night and ended up deleting the file. Anyway, thanks for all your sterling input. Top marks! :thumbs_up:
Yea no problem.

The chords aren't the same as the original song but I just tried to play something similar sounding. I've no clue what chords they are as I just do it by ear but here is the midi! chords.zip
I'm sorry, I don't know what to do with that file - it opens as a VLC. Sorry to be a pain in the a*se!
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ThisIsNotTheMusic wrote:
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aeox wrote:
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Yea no problem.

The chords aren't the same as the original song but I just tried to play something similar sounding. I've no clue what chords they are as I just do it by ear but here is the midi! chords.zip
I'm sorry, I don't know what to do with that file - it opens as a VLC. Sorry to be a pain in the a*se!
Once you extract the file from the .zip folder you drag it into the Reason sequencer.

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I'm sorry, I don't know what to do with that file - it opens as a VLC. Sorry to be a pain in the a*se!
Once you extract the file from the .zip folder you drag it into the Reason sequencer.
Superb - thanks again. Now I'll figure out the chords. I have worked up a nice patch using something similar to your effects chain. I added in Rotor as well and using Radical Keys (but there is also a Rotor Combi that sounds just as good).
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https://www.gearnews.com/top-5-virtual-electric-pianos/

This article describes what are probably the best Rhodes vst emulations -- 3 vst and 2 kontakt libraries.
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https://www.gearnews.com/top-5-virtual-electric-pianos/

This article describes what are probably the best Rhodes vst emulations -- 3 vst and 2 kontakt libraries.
Thanks CatBlack. I'm trialling the Radical Keys Re, can't say I'm blown away. I will get the demo of the Electric 88 I think as at $39USD it seems better value than others. I had the Trial of the Lounge Lizard but didn't spend enough time on it before the demo expired. At $99 it's on the pricey side I'd say. So easy to get caught up in having to buy the biggest and best, where often you can just work with what you already have, or at least shop around. I'm getting very close to the sound now, so it's time to start experimenting! :reason:
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aeox wrote:
26 Jul 2017
Well anyway, I was bored and tried to recreate it. (excuse my terrible keyboard playing ^.^)

https://clyp.it/arkm4nsp

Waves Electric200 VST on init patch (Edit: from a comment below, I see the Electric 88 would be the proper emulation :P)

Effects chain:

Little bit of Tube saturation.

(free) T2 Phaser RE on default testing with minor adjustments.

Any kind of reverb with a pretty short decay and low dry/wet ratio.

iZotope Vinyl - Settings to taste.

Audiomatic - Tape setting (I don't know.. I just chucked it on there lol)
Great work, this is pretty damn close!

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So this is what I came up with - huge thanks to aeox whose Midi notes were slightly rearranged to make the main melody, and the effects chain closely followed to get that almost authentic 'feel'. I am 70% happy with the outcome, and had some fun making this one. Time to move onto a new genre ...

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ThisIsNotTheMusic wrote:
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So this is what I came up with - huge thanks to aeox whose Midi notes were slightly rearranged to make the main melody, and the effects chain closely followed to get that almost authentic 'feel'. I am 70% happy with the outcome, and had some fun making this one. Time to move onto a new genre ...

You have absolutely nailed an early 90s MoWax sound! Somebody call James Lavelle and get this guy signed! That's really wonderful!


Here's what I made playing around with the default preset for Lounge Lizard EP-4, which is why there's so much panning. But I was trying to play softly, so I could hear the tines. I ended up recording an hour with about 5 good melodies that I'll layer into something later.

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ThisIsNotTheMusic wrote:
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So this is what I came up with - huge thanks to aeox whose Midi notes were slightly rearranged to make the main melody, and the effects chain closely followed to get that almost authentic 'feel'. I am 70% happy with the outcome, and had some fun making this one. Time to move onto a new genre ...

You have absolutely nailed an early 90s MoWax sound! Somebody call James Lavelle and get this guy signed! That's really wonderful!


Here's what I made playing around with the default preset for Lounge Lizard EP-4, which is why there's so much panning. But I was trying to play softly, so I could hear the tines. I ended up recording an hour with about 5 good melodies that I'll layer into something later.

Wow, thank you so much! As mentioned I had quite a lot of help along the way - glad you liked it. It seems that it takes some skill to play the E88 smoothly, I did a lot, a LOT of midi editing, but I really like the sounds you are getting especially towards the end there when you are combining the keys more - hmm maybe there is another classic tune hiding in there somewhere.
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