D16 Phoscyon 2
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That new pattern sequencer is the shit.
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I've always much preferred ABL3 over Phoscyon in terms of sound and features. And ABL3 just sounds closest to a real 303 of all the emulations out there.
That said, I am still interested to try this out!
That said, I am still interested to try this out!
Do your trying here: https://d16.pl/phoscyon2
I don't know how it compares with ABL3, but the sound engine is all new and the interface is very comprehensive.
If you have other D16 stuff you'll have a crossgrade voucher - mine makes it €69.
I don't know how it compares with ABL3, but the sound engine is all new and the interface is very comprehensive.
If you have other D16 stuff you'll have a crossgrade voucher - mine makes it €69.
I really like it and been waiting for its release. Nice distortion on it and easier for me to access the midi than with Abl3 rack extension in rrp. Really impressed with sound.EdGrip wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022Do your trying here: https://d16.pl/phoscyon2
I don't know how it compares with ABL3, but the sound engine is all new and the interface is very comprehensive.
If you have other D16 stuff you'll have a crossgrade voucher - mine makes it €69.
I like how their are also different emulations under the not so hidden flap, they all have a different character.
Been playing around with it for a short time this morning and I'm probably gonna pick it up. Usually, I don't jump on new stuff on 1st day of release but this gave me such big Rebirth vibes I just need this in my arsenal
@Neo, just tried the export function and Midi was no problem dragging and dropping into the Reason sequencer.
@Neo, just tried the export function and Midi was no problem dragging and dropping into the Reason sequencer.
Cheers K.. same^klasson wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022Been playing around with it for a short time this morning and I'm probably gonna pick it up. Usually, I don't jump on new stuff on 1st day of release but this gave me such big Rebirth vibes I just need this in my arsenal
@Neo, just tried the export function and Midi was no problem dragging and dropping into the Reason sequencer.
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Yeah I just saw that it is on sale for $89 which is $20 more than the regular price of v1. So it's a pass from me.
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Few days ago tried Phoscyon and did not like the interface at all. Sounded good though. Tried ABL3, a bit better but interface again, not very friendly so uninstalled both.
After 15 minutes of trial of Phoscyon 2 decided to buy it because what the heck. Only 69 euros lol, because already had Lush-101 (which just sits there not being used).
It has it's own quirks though, especially in GUI, same as Lush-101, but kinda of usable and sounds ok to me. Never been acid techno music fan so will use it for other purposes. I hope I won't get bored like with Lush.
After 15 minutes of trial of Phoscyon 2 decided to buy it because what the heck. Only 69 euros lol, because already had Lush-101 (which just sits there not being used).
It has it's own quirks though, especially in GUI, same as Lush-101, but kinda of usable and sounds ok to me. Never been acid techno music fan so will use it for other purposes. I hope I won't get bored like with Lush.
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I miss rebirth. It is better than the 303 on the roland cloud.Propellerhands wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022Few days ago tried Phoscyon and did not like the interface at all. Sounded good though. Tried ABL3, a bit better but interface again, not very friendly so uninstalled both.
After 15 minutes of trial of Phoscyon 2 decided to buy it because what the heck. Only 69 euros lol, because already had Lush-101 (which just sits there not being used).
It has it's own quirks though, especially in GUI, same as Lush-101, but kinda of usable and sounds ok to me. Never been acid techno music fan so will use it for other purposes. I hope I won't get bored like with Lush.
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After more time with it (3 hours overall) I can say it is the only TB-303 clone that one may need in his music productions. Finally my prayers been answered and we have something user friendly, nice interface and pretty quick to use. Just draw notes with a mouse, not this retro bs like was in first version of Phoscyon and other plugins.
I am pretty sure it was D16 who just decided to finally listen to their userbase, not a small minority purists who think if it has usable sequencer then it is a no-buy for them. Cudos to developers.
Still though, have to mention it again, it has its tiny quirks but nothing too irritating to put off from making your own sequences. Oh someone on KVR mentioned, they should re-name it. How does one even pronounce its name? I always call it "Physion" in my head lol.
P.S. I haven't been around in music scene when Rebirth was a thing. Maybe tried it once, during my initial years, can't remember.
Edit: oh look what I found! That's how you make this badass sound closer or better than ABL3 because people was complaining it lacks bass for them. Neat!
I am pretty sure it was D16 who just decided to finally listen to their userbase, not a small minority purists who think if it has usable sequencer then it is a no-buy for them. Cudos to developers.
Still though, have to mention it again, it has its tiny quirks but nothing too irritating to put off from making your own sequences. Oh someone on KVR mentioned, they should re-name it. How does one even pronounce its name? I always call it "Physion" in my head lol.
P.S. I haven't been around in music scene when Rebirth was a thing. Maybe tried it once, during my initial years, can't remember.
Edit: oh look what I found! That's how you make this badass sound closer or better than ABL3 because people was complaining it lacks bass for them. Neat!
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Uploaded a few videos of it on my channel including a sound comparison with ABL3 and Roland Cloud TB303 if anyone interested to check out
All the included presets, no talking:
Overview and acid techno jam:
Roland Cloud TB303 vs Audio Realism ABL 3 vs D16 Phoscyon 2 - sound comparison
All the included presets, no talking:
Overview and acid techno jam:
Roland Cloud TB303 vs Audio Realism ABL 3 vs D16 Phoscyon 2 - sound comparison
Interesting and thanks for sharing. I must say that i like the sound and especially the filter resposne from Roland very much and reminds me the most to the original 303. ABL3 has much more low end and comes very close to the original sound. But Phoscyon is quite far away from the original at some points.
Guess in the end its a matter of taste and i rarly used a 303 on its own without further processing. I normally have an analog filter, distortions and EQs all over it. And last time i tried a 303 i also added a transient shaper to have a much smoother sound - excellent stuff
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Funny, when I search for it, I type "Phosycon" (with the y before the c) pronouncing it "fa-si-con" lol. That's how I've always seen it in my head.Propellerhands wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022Oh someone on KVR mentioned, they should re-name it. How does one even pronounce its name? I always call it "Physion" in my head lol.
I haven't watched the whole video yet and only jumped around, but I certainly prefer the sound and randomizer of ABL3.RandomNoise wrote: ↑02 Sep 2022Uploaded a few videos of it on my channel including a sound comparison with ABL3 and Roland Cloud TB303 if anyone interested to check out
Roland Cloud TB303 vs Audio Realism ABL 3 vs D16 Phoscyon 2 - sound comparison
https://youtu.be/Ym71ui83Y6M
That said, and I know for the first comparisons at the top you mentioned that you have none of the effects applied, but I'm interested in some of the other settings. You may have mentioned these things, but like I said, I was jumping around...
For instance, ABL3 VST has some additional settings under setup, such as VCO Model and Bass Boost. I use the RE most often, so not sure about these initial settings on the VST.
Also, while I find I don't prefer the sound of Phoscyon, I think if it is clipping on the DAW channel, that should be resolved before making a comparison. I mean, the devs should certainly make sure that it doesn't clip, particularly with initialized settings and simply opening the filter with no resonance or distortion applied. Is that the initial volume setting for the Phoscyon?
Yea, that was my thinking too, that there might be some room for adjustments, maybe for all 3 of them...I think the most important things for a 303 is the filter, the envelopes and the adding of envelopes with multiple nodes, the accent and amplifying and finally general main waveform, which has a huge impact ont he overall sound. And this waveform may change through the circuits in a real 303.
I am still amazed, that the sound of the 303 is so unique and can be listened to for hours. Not many synths could achieve this. The overall interaction of the components were just unique and great. Still love the sound.
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Not directed at me but will chip in:
Physion has some presets, as I mentioned above (see attached picture) which sort of can boost bass, but I am not sure 100%, my headphones are pretty flat anyway.
It really does clip on zero resonance and maximum cutoffjoeyluck wrote: ↑02 Sep 2022
Also, while I find I don't prefer the sound of Phoscyon, I think if it is clipping on the DAW channel, that should be resolved before making a comparison. I mean, the devs should certainly make sure that it doesn't clip, particularly with initialized settings and simply opening the filter with no resonance or distortion applied. Is that the initial volume setting for the Phoscyon?
I was never a fan of acid music (hate-love relationship) but I got seriously interested in this kind of sound for usage in other genres and for many years consciously (or not) tried to mimic with stock plugins in Reason. Came close, but only in terms of patterns rather than filters and overall feeling. Was kinda skeptical and was sure that it can be reproduced with any other synth. Yet I couldn't really. So now I feel like a child during christmas who got his first Transformer toy. So many posibilities have opened up.
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Yeah that's what I gathered and it shouldn't clip with those settings and the initial state of the volume (the dev should fix if that is the case). I was asking if that is the initial volume setting...Propellerhands wrote: ↑02 Sep 2022It really does clip on zero resonance and maximum cutoffjoeyluck wrote: ↑02 Sep 2022
Also, while I find I don't prefer the sound of Phoscyon, I think if it is clipping on the DAW channel, that should be resolved before making a comparison. I mean, the devs should certainly make sure that it doesn't clip, particularly with initialized settings and simply opening the filter with no resonance or distortion applied. Is that the initial volume setting for the Phoscyon?
And then the other point I was making was that for a good comparison, the master volume should be set so that it doesn't clip the channel. And aside from avoiding clipping, the output levels should be matched to make a good comparison.
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