Roland - buy the VSTs now available

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Post 12 May 2020

Think I mentioned it before, Roland told me at NAMM that they would start to sell the VSTs they have in Cloud.

This was just announced, together with some new engine, the one from Phantom, as a VSTs.

This is like Arturia on steroids, but I'm sure the price tags will make you think twice, but you can get your D-50, JV-1080 etc as an owned plugin. And the future platform thing, Zen Core.

Interesting from a market perspective too, they are stepping back from subscription a bit, by offering sub or buy.

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Post 12 May 2020

Looks very interesting, but some sounds seem very CPU heavy and sadly it is only available as VST3.

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Post 12 May 2020

riemac wrote:
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Looks very interesting, but some sounds seem very CPU heavy and sadly it is only available as VST3.
I believe VST2 is available for Windows, but not Mac.
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Post 12 May 2020

Maybe RS will add VST3 support soon... I mean Reason to support VST3 since Reason already is VST3 :lol:

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Post 12 May 2020

Is there a link or do you need to be logged into the Roland Cloud app to see any of this info and pricing?

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Post 12 May 2020

I've heard they're CPU hogs with buggy/laggy GUIs...

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Post 12 May 2020

Yeah definitely seems they've only added prices to heighten the perceived value of their subscription.

Nice though to see some additional options with subscription including a $2.99/month for Zenology.

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Post 12 May 2020

It would be awesome, if they release all the Boss pedals as vst, as well. :puf_smile:

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Post 12 May 2020

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It would be awesome, if they release all the Boss pedals as vst, as well. :puf_smile:
It's Roland though, so if you ask for it, it will be the last thing they deliver, or they just do it differently lol.

For years, people asked for an analog re-release of the TB-303. They released nothing TB-303. Meanwhile there were other analog clones on the market (such as TT-303 and x0xb0x). Then Roland released several digital hardware recreations of the TB-303 (TB-3, TB-03) and Behringer releases an analog version. Roland released the TB-303 VST, but ABL3 still reigns as the best software emulation, even better than Roland's.

So now they have been making plugins. One of the most popular digital synths has been the JP-8000, and a plugin version is certainly a high request among customers. And it would make perfect sense.

But it's not Roland only—Korg as well. I've been waiting for a Prophecy/Z1 (MOSS) plugin, other great, popular digital synths, which makes sense to have as plugins.

Everybody avoids making the stuff I want :lol:

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Post 13 May 2020

I get that now you can outright buy the existing synths on RolandCloud (i.e. "lifetime license") - such as D50, JV1080, Jupiter8, TR808.

But I can't wrap my head around the new Zenology: If one NEVER wants a subscription, then can they outright buy Zenology and its expansions? Will Pro be an option?
OR, is subscription the only way to go for Zenology?

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Post 13 May 2020

groggy1 wrote:
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I get that now you can outright buy the existing synths on RolandCloud (i.e. "lifetime license") - such as D50, JV1080, Jupiter8, TR808.

But I can't wrap my head around the new Zenology: If one NEVER wants a subscription, then can they outright buy Zenology and its expansions? Will Pro be an option?
OR, is subscription the only way to go for Zenology?
Not totally clear to me, but I looks like there is free Zenology Lite, and you can buy patch packs for it, starting at $0.99. The Pro version appears to be sub only, and you can edit the soundd more extensively, but this is not 100% clear to me yet.

The XN-5080 I think is $129. So, maybe Korg will drop the Triton price down to something more palatable than the $249.
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Post 17 May 2020

Sooo, the specs on Zenology LITE is out. Yes, it is free. Has 176 sounds, vs 3597 for the full. But it is VST3 so "fo' geddaa 'bout it"... (If you use Reason that is...). But you can mess with bridging if you want.

The individual VSTs that you now can purchase, like Jupiter 8, XV-5080, and so on, are VST 2...for Windows, but only VST3 for Mac so If you use Mac/Reason "fo' geddaa 'bout it"...
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Post 18 May 2020

Ok, all in all I have to give Kudos to Roland for letting us BUY some of the synths now: I bought the D50 and a couple other synths I've loved using for the past year, and cancelled the subscription.

I tried Roland Cloud in the past half year, and I have to say it didn't "feel good". I always felt like any synth patches I was creating, I wasn't sure if I'd have them in 6 months because I was pretty sure I wasn't going to keep the subscription for too long. So any Combinator Patches I created, I was even storing them in a separate folder, because I knew they were only temporary. I didn't like how this made me feel: I kept having to think of those patches as temporary, and it hindered my creativity.


So I'm glad I got D50 now, and my plan is to not even LOOK at the new Zenology stuff. I don't want to get sucked into it, I don't care what it does. For me, the subscription thing was just very off-putting, for musical creativity and flow.

That was an interesting experiment, but I can't see it becoming the mainstream (subscriptions). With Netflix, subscription makes total sense, because I watch a movie and then it's over. But with instruments, I don't have the ability to keep track of all the things that would "break" when my subscription ends.

(Minor edit for clarify)

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Post 18 May 2020

I have to admit, $129 for an XV-5080 that you never have to program on the LCD is tempting.
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Post 18 May 2020

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I have to admit, $129 for an XV-5080 that you never have to program on the LCD is tempting.
My fingers are ITCHING :lol:
And soon my credit card is burning, I guess...

If I can change a patch in < 1 sec, I'll have a hard time holding back. I'm going crazy waiting almost 5 sec for some reason Combi patches to load, only to hear that is not what I'm looking for.
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Post 20 May 2020

This is really attractive.

This is a clever move from Roland as it will produce untold amounts of quality patches for use in compatible hardware while building familiarity with its products.

I quite like what I've got, but once Zenology Pro arrives it'll be hard to resist (I'll just have to embrace Reaper or Studio One with the RS plugin).
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Post 27 May 2020

Boombastix wrote:
18 May 2020
fieldframe wrote:
18 May 2020
I have to admit, $129 for an XV-5080 that you never have to program on the LCD is tempting.
My fingers are ITCHING :lol:
And soon my credit card is burning, I guess...

If I can change a patch in < 1 sec, I'll have a hard time holding back. I'm going crazy waiting almost 5 sec for some reason Combi patches to load, only to hear that is not what I'm looking for.
I have been checking out the free ZenCore plugin, there is a good amount of stuff in there! I noticed an oddity when switching patches though, it is fast but the sound glitches in the first second or so of changing. The pricing of expansions is reasonable but the plug ins are steep. Roland always charges premium though. I dont like the subscription model but im tempted to go for one for a bit just to sample the crap out of it...

Reason Studios need to get VST 3 out. There will be more and more stuff coming out VST 3 only i'm sure.

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Post 30 May 2020

Using Roland Cloud as a VST3 in Ableton Live is significantly more CPU friendly than a VST2 in Reason at the moment. Hopefully in the next Reason point update they support hosting VST3

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Post 30 May 2020

Still on the free version, really enjoying the crispy PCM style Roland sounds. Makes a change from all the virtual analogue stuff I have. Out of interest, what are the alternatives to Roland's offering? I know there is the Korg Triton VST and I have a UVI pack that sounds great. What else is out there?

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Post 31 May 2020

In case you cannot find it: The default install location is C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Roland\ZENOLOGY
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Post 28 Jul 2020

Some updates to this:
Zenology is VST3 (not VST2), so you need Kushview Element or similar VST host to use it in Reason. The free version has a 100+ sounds, some very good. And sound packs are like $1 and up. Cheap way for out-of-control GAS :lol:
The "Complete Orchestra" is $20, hmmm. Not a substitute for a $500+ Kontakt Lib, but boy can Roland make a 100Mb pack sound great. Perfect for pop/TV stuff.

New Zen Model Expansions are out, JX-8P and SH-101, price $149 ea. Yikes... There is a good free JX-8P (PG-8X), and I bought FXpansion Strobe2 (spot on for SH-101 type sounds, and much more with its FX's and modulations) for $20 bucks. I'm not giving Roland money for those. (Juno and Jupiter coming soon as Zen models). The Zen models are not pretty, but functional I guess.

The Zen SH-101 (ABM) sounds very similar to the ACM model of SH-101, which you also can buy inside Roland Cloud for $99. The ACM is using way more CPU, and the sound improvement is probably negligible, at least in a mix. Not sure why the priced the older ACM VST less, it used to be $149 IIRC.

I might try the XV-5080 in the future and see if there is a $129 value in it, unless Korg drops the price for Triton down to that range. The Legendary VSTs are VST2 and VST3, so we can use them in Reason without any "famous" Propellerhead work-arounds, :roll: .
But, not sure if the $129 is enough value for the convenience of not firing up my JV-1080 hw, we'll see. And then there is the $1 AIR Xpand2, that sounds like a sampled JV, sooooooooo. :shock:

PS. The Edit button on the Roland 1080 VST2's doesn't re-size the VST window, not sure if this is a Roland or Reason issue, so another work-around, smaller this time; hit Edit, close the VST and re-open, it now is the full size.
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Post 28 Jul 2020

When a company has two different VST models of their own synthesiser at different price points, they need to sort their life out.

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Post 28 Jul 2020

Tal Uno is 60 bux, just for perspective. And I have a JU-06 that I traded that is pretty reasonable - (this is for sale if anyone is interested btw).

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