Anyone try Obscurium in Reason?

[platzangst]

Just saw this thing:

https://sugar-bytes.de/obscurium

And it looks kinda interesting - but I notice that it apparently has the ability to host VST plugins inside itself.

In just the short bit of looking around I've done, I'm not sure if that can only be done in the standalone version, or if the VST version itself can host VSTs within, but I guess what I'd really like to know is: if the latter is true, how well does that work (if at all) inside Reason? So if you have any experience with this thing in Reason, please share.

[Despondo]

I have it and it is great for ambient morphing type sounds.

[platzangst]

I have it and it is great for ambient morphing type sounds.

And how does the VST-in-a-VST thing work for you? Or do you only use the built-in generators?

[olive6741]

I have it and it is great for ambient morphing type sounds.

And how does the VST-in-a-VST thing work for you? Or do you only use the built-in generators?

I have it. It's great. On the VST side, it depends. Problem is it needs VST expose presets to Obscurium. If not, everytime it loads a VST, it starts on the default preset. But there is a workaround: if you load as VST Metaplugin from DDMF, then a loaded VST inside it stays like it was when used in Obscurium (and parameters of a VST inside Metaplugin can be exposed, so control possible). Problem: Metaplugin isn't free (but not too expensive either). But I'm quite sure Kushview Element (which is free and open source now) gives same result. I can explain how I setup this if you want.

But Obscurium, even without use of VST inside it is great, for sure!

[platzangst]

I have it. It's great. On the VST side, it depends. Problem is it needs VST expose presets to Obscurium. If not, everytime it loads a VST, it starts on the default preset.

Do you mean that it won't save the parameters in a song file? If, for example, I make a patch from scratch or alter an existing patch but don't save it as a new patch, will those settings be remembered when I save the file in Reason and open it later? Or will it go to the default no matter what?

I did look at a number of videos before posting, simply because hosting the VSTs inside other VSTs seemed to me like it could be a recipe for conflicts and instability. So I did see a guy using a plug-in and opening its main panel inside Obscurium, and I assume someone could select presets there if not specifically through an Obscurium menu. As long as I can close a file and open it and have everything be the same, I'm fine with that, but if some VSTs will just lose all those changes, that's a bit disappointing.

[olive6741]

I have it. It's great. On the VST side, it depends. Problem is it needs VST expose presets to Obscurium. If not, everytime it loads a VST, it starts on the default preset.

Do you mean that it won't save the parameters in a song file? If, for example, I make a patch from scratch or alter an existing patch but don't save it as a new patch, will those settings be remembered when I save the file in Reason and open it later? Or will it go to the default no matter what?

I did look at a number of videos before posting, simply because hosting the VSTs inside other VSTs seemed to me like it could be a recipe for conflicts and instability. So I did see a guy using a plug-in and opening its main panel inside Obscurium, and I assume someone could select presets there if not specifically through an Obscurium menu. As long as I can close a file and open it and have everything be the same, I'm fine with that, but if some VSTs will just lose all those changes, that's a bit disappointing.

Yes I had this problem. When reopening the song, state of VST was lost. At least with AAS Ultra Analog VA-2 and Chromaphone. I was disappointed . Then I found a workaround.
But maybe other people are more successful?

[Despondo]

But there is a workaround: if you load as VST Metaplugin from DDMF, then a loaded VST inside it stays like it was when used in Obscurium (and parameters of a VST inside Metaplugin can be exposed, so control possible).

I do the same with Blue Cat Audio's Patchwork

https://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/P ... PatchWork/