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S1GNL
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Post 24 Jan 2019

... when watching the Waves CLA MixHub ad, feeling like

„Ehm... yeah... we already got that in Reason years ago ...“ :lol:

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Post 24 Jan 2019

Yes, and more than just 8 channels.

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Post 24 Jan 2019

Yeah that looks like if they cut off a pice of Reason ssl
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Post 26 Jan 2019

giiiiiiiiiiigle

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Post 27 Jan 2019

hmmm
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Post 28 Jan 2019

"Mute and solo is not available." :lol:


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Post 28 Jan 2019

dioxide wrote:
28 Jan 2019
"Mute and solo is not available." :lol:

At first I did sit up and think... ooh this looks nice. Then I started to dig into it...

PROS:
- BUCKETS - it's a neat way to GROUP channels. On large projects it is really annoying in Reason to have a massive strip of channels and no way of collapsing them into groups. Yes - you can colour code them, but collapsible groups is what I'd like.
- EQ - it adds an SSL'esque colour to your mixes.
- CLA-76 - nice to have this compressor option on each channel.

BIG CONS:
- NO SENDS / RETURNS
- NO MUTE / SOLO
- WAVES ONLY INSERTS

So - In Reason we pretty much have this already. I already have Waves Scheps Omni-Channel, which has a great EQ and range of compressors. However... I just wish I had a way to group my channels.
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Post 28 Jan 2019

It is not exactly the same. But this indicates how we would need a total emulation or another SSL model of your choice in Reason. But Waves is not new in hardware emulations
S1GNL wrote:
24 Jan 2019
... when watching the Waves CLA MixHub ad, feeling like

„Ehm... yeah... we already got that in Reason years ago ...“ :lol:
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Post 10 Feb 2019

danc wrote:
28 Jan 2019

PROS:
- BUCKETS - it's a neat way to GROUP channels. On large projects it is really annoying in Reason to have a massive strip of channels and no way of collapsing them into groups. Yes - you can colour code them, but collapsible groups is what I'd like.
- EQ - it adds an SSL'esque colour to your mixes.
- CLA-76 - nice to have this compressor option on each channel.

BIG CONS:
- NO SENDS / RETURNS
- NO MUTE / SOLO
- WAVES ONLY INSERTS

So - In Reason we pretty much have this already. I already have Waves Scheps Omni-Channel, which has a great EQ and range of compressors. However... I just wish I had a way to group my channels.
I don't use Reason as a DAW (I'm a Pro Tools guy), but use it as a major VI. So, I am curious to ask about the SSL "coloring" for a mix. I know the Reason mixer looks like and is designed after the SSL consoles. But, how does it do in emulating the SSL coloring of a mix, in your opinion, as compared to, say, the CLA Mixhub, or other channel strip emulators out there? I've never once mixed anything in Reason, so have no basis for comparison. Just curious to know how your Reason users see it (or, rather, hear it!).

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Post 10 Feb 2019

DonnieAlan wrote:
10 Feb 2019
danc wrote:
28 Jan 2019

PROS:
- BUCKETS - it's a neat way to GROUP channels. On large projects it is really annoying in Reason to have a massive strip of channels and no way of collapsing them into groups. Yes - you can colour code them, but collapsible groups is what I'd like.
- EQ - it adds an SSL'esque colour to your mixes.
- CLA-76 - nice to have this compressor option on each channel.

BIG CONS:
- NO SENDS / RETURNS
- NO MUTE / SOLO
- WAVES ONLY INSERTS

So - In Reason we pretty much have this already. I already have Waves Scheps Omni-Channel, which has a great EQ and range of compressors. However... I just wish I had a way to group my channels.
I don't use Reason as a DAW (I'm a Pro Tools guy), but use it as a major VI. So, I am curious to ask about the SSL "coloring" for a mix. I know the Reason mixer looks like and is designed after the SSL consoles. But, how does it do in emulating the SSL coloring of a mix, in your opinion, as compared to, say, the CLA Mixhub, or other channel strip emulators out there? I've never once mixed anything in Reason, so have no basis for comparison. Just curious to know how your Reason users see it (or, rather, hear it!).
The Reason mixer was first introduced in 2009. It looks like an SSL 9000k and IMO it sounds very clean.

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Post 10 Feb 2019

DonnieAlan wrote:
10 Feb 2019
I don't use Reason as a DAW (I'm a Pro Tools guy), but use it as a major VI. So, I am curious to ask about the SSL "coloring" for a mix. I know the Reason mixer looks like and is designed after the SSL consoles. But, how does it do in emulating the SSL coloring of a mix, in your opinion, as compared to, say, the CLA Mixhub, or other channel strip emulators out there? I've never once mixed anything in Reason, so have no basis for comparison. Just curious to know how your Reason users see it (or, rather, hear it!).
The mixer in Reason looks like a SSL and has very similar EQ and compressor/gate curves, but it does not emulate a SSL mixer with respect to any saturation.
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Post 11 Feb 2019

Ahornberg wrote:
10 Feb 2019

The Reason mixer was first introduced in 2009. It looks like an SSL 9000k and IMO it sounds very clean.
I remember that. I've had Reason since 4.0. I know it sounds clean. What I was wondering is do the EQ's and Compressors on the mixers behave the way the SSL ones do? If I understand it right, I believe that the focus of the CLA Mixhub was to model and emulate the behavior of the SSL compression and EQ etc. Does the Reason version do that? Its not a negative if it doesn't. I'm just wondering is all.

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Post 11 Feb 2019

DonnieAlan wrote:
11 Feb 2019
Ahornberg wrote:
10 Feb 2019

The Reason mixer was first introduced in 2009. It looks like an SSL 9000k and IMO it sounds very clean.
I remember that. I've had Reason since 4.0. I know it sounds clean. What I was wondering is do the EQ's and Compressors on the mixers behave the way the SSL ones do? If I understand it right, I believe that the focus of the CLA Mixhub was to model and emulate the behavior of the SSL compression and EQ etc. Does the Reason version do that? Its not a negative if it doesn't. I'm just wondering is all.
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Post 12 Feb 2019

I'm on a few Waves plugin forums, it's amazing how many people seem to have insta-bought CLA Mix Hub and don't like it

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Post 13 Feb 2019

dvdrtldg wrote:
12 Feb 2019
I'm on a few Waves plugin forums, it's amazing how many people seem to have insta-bought CLA Mix Hub and don't like it
In my view, one needs to use this plugin for a while before deciding like or not. I used the trial version first and tried it out in different scenarios. I liked the workflow, so ended up getting it. I'm glad I did. Doesn't mean I'll use it on every mix, but at the initial offer price, it was a good deal and a great tool to have in one's mixing kit bag! On a recent mix, I put the Mixhub on all the submixes of the sections, drums, vocals, guitars, etc. It was easy and nice to make some final subtle tweaks all in one plugin and it did warm up the mix a bit too.

No one plugin, no matter how good, is going to be the magic plugin that suddenly "transforms" your mix. But, some tools are much better than others to help you get a better mix and ease the workflow to get there. This is definitely one of those, in my opinion. I'll be using it a lot!

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Post 13 Feb 2019

These days I won't even consider buying any Waves plugin until it (inevitably) goes on sale for $29

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Post 14 Feb 2019

dvdrtldg wrote:
13 Feb 2019
These days I won't even consider buying any Waves plugin until it (inevitably) goes on sale for $29
I wouldn’t even use it for free. I used to own the gold bundle and ended up using the RCompressor only. And the plugin is not worth the buggy Waves Central hustle with limited support.

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Post 14 Feb 2019

S1GNL wrote:
14 Feb 2019
dvdrtldg wrote:
13 Feb 2019
These days I won't even consider buying any Waves plugin until it (inevitably) goes on sale for $29
I wouldn’t even use it for free. I used to own the gold bundle and ended up using the RCompressor only. And the plugin is not worth the buggy Waves Central hustle with limited support.
And Waves plugins often crash when starting Reason.

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Post 14 Feb 2019

Ahornberg wrote:
14 Feb 2019
S1GNL wrote:
14 Feb 2019


I wouldn’t even use it for free. I used to own the gold bundle and ended up using the RCompressor only. And the plugin is not worth the buggy Waves Central hustle with limited support.
And Waves plugins often crash when starting Reason.
That’s the "Waves Central" Software. It’s also crashing Studio One.

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Post 14 Feb 2019

Have to say, I've never had any issues with Waves Central or their plugs crashing Reason. I use quite a few and they're rock solid

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Post 15 Feb 2019

S1GNL wrote:
14 Feb 2019
Ahornberg wrote:
14 Feb 2019

And Waves plugins often crash when starting Reason.
That’s the "Waves Central" Software. It’s also crashing Studio One.
Which version of Studio One? I have version 2 and my latest Waves V.10 purchases keep crashing everything (TG Mastering Chain + Abbey Rd Chamber). V.9s work fine, but once I drag a V.10 into the mastering suite, all goes to hell (V.9s then stop working/no longer show in Studio One AND Reason 10). Annoying is an understatement. I've corresponded with Waves and they advise re-installing everything (deleting folders, blah blah...) - still no joy.

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Post 15 Feb 2019

ionly wrote:
15 Feb 2019
S1GNL wrote:
14 Feb 2019


That’s the "Waves Central" Software. It’s also crashing Studio One.
Which version of Studio One? I have version 2 and my latest Waves V.10 purchases keep crashing everything (TG Mastering Chain + Abbey Rd Chamber). V.9s work fine, but once I drag a V.10 into the mastering suite, all goes to hell (V.9s then stop working/no longer show in Studio One AND Reason 10). Annoying is an understatement. I've corresponded with Waves and they advise re-installing everything (deleting folders, blah blah...) - still no joy.
Could it be a Windows issue? I'm on Win 10 and I had the same problem on Win 8.

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