Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 12 Jun 2018
This is why I own 6 samplers and 20 synths.
Sigh....
More “same boxes”
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Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 12 Jun 2018
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 12 Jun 2018
To each their own. Some people find different ways of working inspiring, right? Software like this (as well as DAW, various plugins, etc) is the primary reason why I don't own 6 samplers and 20 synths.jimmyklane wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018This is why I own 6 samplers and 20 synths.
Sigh....
More “same boxes”
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 12 Jun 2018
Yeah, you are 100% correct, but I can’t help feel like this is some sort of preset library with stutter edit built in or something. I’m always making brand new sounds and then sampling them to mangle and mash them up. I kind of feel like this is not a limitless open possibility like any sampler but more predefined in what you’re getting....also, unless you BUY the correct processor/samplebank you’re stuck with what they give you stock.EnochLight wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018To each their own. Some people find different ways of working inspiring, right? Software like this (as well as DAW, various plugins, etc) is the primary reason why I don't own 6 samplers and 20 synths.jimmyklane wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018This is why I own 6 samplers and 20 synths.
Sigh....
More “same boxes”
Anyway, I’d certainly demo it if there is one
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 12 Jun 2018
To be fair, we've had limitless open possibility in software for many, many years (which is primarily what keeps me ITB).jimmyklane wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018Yeah, you are 100% correct, but I can’t help feel like this is some sort of preset library with stutter edit built in or something. I’m always making brand new sounds and then sampling them to mangle and mash them up. I kind of feel like this is not a limitless open possibility like any sampler but more predefined in what you’re getting....also, unless you BUY the correct processor/samplebank you’re stuck with what they give you stock.EnochLight wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018
To each their own. Some people find different ways of working inspiring, right? Software like this (as well as DAW, various plugins, etc) is the primary reason why I don't own 6 samplers and 20 synths.
Anyway, I’d certainly demo it if there is one
I think the appeal of hardware is the limits you actually have. You're forced into doing things a certain way to get from point A to point B. I'll admit this much: it's a lot easier to have gear acquisition syndrome in the software world than it is hardware. I'd never be able to hide 6 samplers and 20 synths from my wife - LOL! Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 13 Jun 2018
This looks really interesting and a very efficient method for experimenting with combining loops.
I need something that does this so I can more efficiently use loops I already have though, I don't need all the content they provide through their subscription plan.
I need something that does this so I can more efficiently use loops I already have though, I don't need all the content they provide through their subscription plan.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 13 Jun 2018
Was just checking it out and found this thread. Seems overwhelming to get new content every day! I still don’t use all the loops I already have at my disposal, and don’t make my own as often as I’d like. Can’t imagine paying $120/yr for this unless I was having to crank out new tracks daily. Like all subscriptions, it goes away as soon as you stop paying, which may be OK for some but like others I just keep thinking “old school” and want to at least feel like I “own”t the software I use…
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Re: Output Audio introduces
Posted: 13 Jun 2018
they address that by saying something like: "you can quit the subscription anytime and still run what you have created" but i dont know the details. I think I am going to try it for a few months for fun. Anyone who leases beats definitely falls into the "new tracks daily" camp.selig wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018Was just checking it out and found this thread. Seems overwhelming to get new content every day! I still don’t use all the loops I already have at my disposal, and don’t make my own as often as I’d like. Can’t imagine paying $120/yr for this unless I was having to crank out new tracks daily. Like all subscriptions, it goes away as soon as you stop paying, which may be OK for some but like others I just keep thinking “old school” and want to at least feel like I “own”t the software I use…
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Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 13 Jun 2018
Interesting - seems like they may be trying to address the common concerns. Will be watching to see how it goes…-008' wrote:they address that by saying something like: "you can quit the subscription anytime and still run what you have created" but i dont know the details. I think I am going to try it for a few months for fun. Anyone who leases beats definitely falls into the "new tracks daily" camp.selig wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018Was just checking it out and found this thread. Seems overwhelming to get new content every day! I still don’t use all the loops I already have at my disposal, and don’t make my own as often as I’d like. Can’t imagine paying $120/yr for this unless I was having to crank out new tracks daily. Like all subscriptions, it goes away as soon as you stop paying, which may be OK for some but like others I just keep thinking “old school” and want to at least feel like I “own”t the software I use…
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Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 13 Jun 2018
So these are pre-made loops with what looks to be custom interfaces for effecting them. What I don’t understand is why you’d want all this content. TV production?
I’ve already got more than I could EVER use, and those are just the single hits.
I’m even more old-school than Selig....I want to MAKE every loop I use.
I’ve already got more than I could EVER use, and those are just the single hits.
I’m even more old-school than Selig....I want to MAKE every loop I use.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 13 Jun 2018
Precisely. Anyone in the entertainment industry that needs to crank out material daily/weekly for impatient clients will find this invaluable, IMHO. TV is one industry I can see this being incredibly useful.jimmyklane wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018So these are pre-made loops with what looks to be custom interfaces for effecting them. What I don’t understand is why you’d want all this content. TV production?
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
It's only as limited as you make it.jimmyklane wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018Yeah, you are 100% correct, but I can’t help feel like this is some sort of preset library with stutter edit built in or something. I’m always making brand new sounds and then sampling them to mangle and mash them up. I kind of feel like this is not a limitless open possibility like any sampler but more predefined in what you’re getting....also, unless you BUY the correct processor/samplebank you’re stuck with what they give you stock.EnochLight wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018
To each their own. Some people find different ways of working inspiring, right? Software like this (as well as DAW, various plugins, etc) is the primary reason why I don't own 6 samplers and 20 synths.
Anyway, I’d certainly demo it if there is one
Re: Output Audio introduces
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
I like to own everything I use so my anxiety of having to owe someone money is not sitting in the back of my mind.selig wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018Was just checking it out and found this thread. Seems overwhelming to get new content every day! I still don’t use all the loops I already have at my disposal, and don’t make my own as often as I’d like. Can’t imagine paying $120/yr for this unless I was having to crank out new tracks daily. Like all subscriptions, it goes away as soon as you stop paying, which may be OK for some but like others I just keep thinking “old school” and want to at least feel like I “own”t the software I use…
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Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
I wish I had enough drum kits, microphones, studio space, and time to make every loop I use…(and the skill to play like different drummers).jimmyklane wrote: I’m even more old-school than Selig....I want to MAKE every loop I use.
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Re: Output Audio introduces
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
^^ THIS ^^
Having a loop library is akin to instantly being able to work with a limitless selection of different musicians. There’s just no physical way I could ever have the setup, studio access, kit access, and musicians, mics, etc - at my disposal.
Re: Output Audio introduces
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
There have been times when I DID have access to many of these elements, but the time involved was still the deciding factor for me! The real issues is that even with all of those things in place, in the heat of the moment when I have a musical idea, the time it would take to get everything collected, setup, recorded, edited, and placed in the track would be a creativity killer.EnochLight wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018^^ THIS ^^
Having a loop library is akin to instantly being able to work with a limitless selection of different musicians. There’s just no physical way I could ever have the setup, studio access, kit access, and musicians, mics, etc - at my disposal.
I don't know how others work, but my ideas won't just stand around and wait for me to get everything ready - my ideas are impatient and elusive, and generally un-cooporative. It's "their way or the highway" for the most part.
At the same time, even though I try to create as much music as possible, I can't see myself needing fresh material delivered daily to my door like milk.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
I don't like the way their A.I. thinks. The randomization is pretty brutal, as in not musical. The roboto can't tell what sounds good or not, and I am afraid we'll be victims of many ungroovy loops on TV and commercials for years to come. Then some people will fall in love with the 'roboto groove' and make beats inspired by the robto. What a nightmare.
The concept is great though. You teach roboto what you like. I think this, with the 1000s of loops and sounds we already have in Reason, should be a nice project for a Props' Player. A way to hmm.. 'recycle' what we already have. The key is to code something with a soul. Pretty much impossible. Good news for us humans.
The concept is great though. You teach roboto what you like. I think this, with the 1000s of loops and sounds we already have in Reason, should be a nice project for a Props' Player. A way to hmm.. 'recycle' what we already have. The key is to code something with a soul. Pretty much impossible. Good news for us humans.
Re: Output Audio introduces
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
How long have you been playing drums? I had no idea you were a drummer too!!! Been about 30 years for me....I feel you on the multiple drum kits and limitless studio space. Mics I’ve got, and to a certain extent I can change my style up if I concentrate on it.selig wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018I wish I had enough drum kits, microphones, studio space, and time to make every loop I use…(and the skill to play like different drummers).jimmyklane wrote: I’m even more old-school than Selig....I want to MAKE every loop I use.
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Also, I’ve changed over the years....and every 3-4 years I get a bug and decide to mic up a kit and play for hours. All sorts of tempos, etc. I record audio as well as video (which really does sound like the little camcorder on Audiomatic!) so I’ve got a ton of different rooms, kits, styles, tempos, and mic techniques already covered.
However: what I really meant was making every loop I use out of single hits, electronically. As I’m sure you’ve noticed if you’ve checked out my music, I’m much into electronic textures and sounds, and don’t have much call for acoustic sounds these days.
Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
I started drums/percussion in 7th grade in 1974, so too long to think about it!jimmyklane wrote:How long have you been playing drums? I had no idea you were a drummer too!!! Been about 30 years for me....I feel you on the multiple drum kits and limitless studio space. Mics I’ve got, and to a certain extent I can change my style up if I concentrate on it.
Also, I’ve changed over the years....and every 3-4 years I get a bug and decide to mic up a kit and play for hours. All sorts of tempos, etc. I record audio as well as video (which really does sound like the little camcorder on Audiomatic!) so I’ve got a ton of different rooms, kits, styles, tempos, and mic techniques already covered.
However: what I really meant was making every loop I use out of single hits, electronically. As I’m sure you’ve noticed if you’ve checked out my music, I’m much into electronic textures and sounds, and don’t have much call for acoustic sounds these days.
There are so many super cool loops out there, which I often dissect and re-arrange to fit the music. I often choose a loop based on the sound, because you can re-arrange the beat fairly easily. I’ve recently been digging though some Matt Chamberlain loops (one of MY favorite drummers, and a super nice guy too!) and am finding endless material to work with. “Wide Open” drums (from Loop Loft) are also cool for what I do.
With so many ways to re-work existing loops, I can’t imagine there more than a few hundred composers working today that actually need “fresh” loops delivered every day (that don’t already have some way of generating them already). Seems like a limited market, but maybe it’s more about “marketing” than “market”?
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Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
CephaloPod wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018
I need something that does this so I can more efficiently use loops I already have though, I don't need all the content they provide through their subscription plan.
You can use your own loops with it as well.jimmyklane wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018So these are pre-made loops with what looks to be custom interfaces for effecting them. What I don’t understand is why you’d want all this content. TV production?
I’ve already got more than I could EVER use, and those are just the single hits.
I’m even more old-school than Selig....I want to MAKE every loop I use.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
Right, I saw that in the marketing video, but wonder if I have to BUY that ability similar to how the Launchpad app works on the iPhone/iPad.
I’m not at all against using loops....but it seems like every time I try to use one (for example, I tried creating a song starting with one of the “Loop Supply” stock Reason loops) I end up with music that doesn’t sound like my music! I’m a drummer and a pianist first....and therefore pretty specific about the drums and keys in my music....and lets face it, anybody that has checked out my music has heard that it’s pretty much ALL keys and drums! I haven’t used an acoustic source outside of guitar amps on synths in some time, as I’ve been into this ‘80s type synthpop sound.
The entire soundtrack I’m creating for the student film I’m working on is all dark and ominous synthpop....huge and dark gated reverbs on Simmons drums, big spread chords (9ths, 13ths, etc) and analog basses....
I really wish I could use loops....but they never seem to work out for me.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 14 Jun 2018
I'm not a heavy loop user either, but the idea is not to make the music around the loop but to use a loop to enhance the music. Basing the music around the loop only really works if you're a sample based producer imo. Secondly you don't have to use the loop straight. Especially with rex loops. You can easily change the order or even omit parts to make it your own. I did that with a percussion loop in this song here. oh and there's a hi-hat loop in the background as well. Both support the main pattern that I did play in myself.jimmyklane wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018Right, I saw that in the marketing video, but wonder if I have to BUY that ability similar to how the Launchpad app works on the iPhone/iPad.
I’m not at all against using loops....but it seems like every time I try to use one (for example, I tried creating a song starting with one of the “Loop Supply” stock Reason loops) I end up with music that doesn’t sound like my music! I’m a drummer and a pianist first....and therefore pretty specific about the drums and keys in my music....and lets face it, anybody that has checked out my music has heard that it’s pretty much ALL keys and drums! I haven’t used an acoustic source outside of guitar amps on synths in some time, as I’ve been into this ‘80s type synthpop sound.
The entire soundtrack I’m creating for the student film I’m working on is all dark and ominous synthpop....huge and dark gated reverbs on Simmons drums, big spread chords (9ths, 13ths, etc) and analog basses....
I really wish I could use loops....but they never seem to work out for me.
Also you can do the same thing with melodic or chord loops. This following video focuses on drums but the same concepts apply. It's using Studio One, but similar can be done with Dr Octo rex.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 15 Jun 2018
Well, it's free for 100 days, so I'm giving it a try. Can't shake a stick at something free for that long!
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 15 Jun 2018
Right. What I meant was, I'm interested in the device itself, but don't need the subscription service.QVprod wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018CephaloPod wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018
I need something that does this so I can more efficiently use loops I already have though, I don't need all the content they provide through their subscription plan.You can use your own loops with it as well.jimmyklane wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018So these are pre-made loops with what looks to be custom interfaces for effecting them. What I don’t understand is why you’d want all this content. TV production?
I’ve already got more than I could EVER use, and those are just the single hits.
I’m even more old-school than Selig....I want to MAKE every loop I use.
Re: Output Audio introduces "Arcade" loop player
Posted: 17 Jun 2018
Got to admit, I have an absolute reason to invest in this. I wanted to join a sample library for instant tweak and inspiration. I'm digging through Reason's FSB like vinyl but I need more influences. Then the ability to tweak it inside the VST is amazing.