R13 (.1) Browser woes

[MrFigg]

I did a complete wipe of Reason and then reinstalled. I then opened the browser and went out for the day. So far so good but I haven't installed anything since then so we'll see.

[petecampbell]

All the preset that goes with the instruments are GONE. I can;'t find nothing as it should even after extensive indexing. I hate the new browser, i cant lie anymore it s garbage. Reason should listen. I put 100s of hours collecting and organizing my sounds and i can find NOTHING!!!! All my px7 presets all my Proton presets for instance (which also contain samples). It just can't find it whatever i do.

[bitley]

I did a complete wipe of Reason and then reinstalled. I then opened the browser and went out for the day. So far so good but I haven't installed anything since then so we'll see.

No offence but oldschool methods like that are likely never needed any longer. If they ever were. Reason is very well coded in itself. But I understand when frustration calls. If you have a lot of data for it to chew it has to be left on I guess.

[petecampbell]

Reason is dumbing down for "producers" who need to quickly find those seven patches that they use over and over, desperate to eliminate all the work and learning so they can be more, um, "creative".

Ha!
But sadly all too true. Everything in this world is busy doing that. Blindly running themselves over the cliff they are too arrogant to admit is real.

Exactely this;
The new "browser" is tailored towards users that CONSUME presets like they consume Netflix from their Ipads.
People who know what they are doing, have their own mindmap of how they want to order and store presets and data.
This is a HUGE step backwards.

[Loque]

Ha!
But sadly all too true. Everything in this world is busy doing that. Blindly running themselves over the cliff they are too arrogant to admit is real.

Exactely this;
The new "browser" is tailored towards users that CONSUME presets like they consume Netflix from their Ipads.
People who know what they are doing, have their own mindmap of how they want to order and store presets and data.
This is a HUGE step backwards.

I dont see a step backward regarding your description. Nothing prevents you to continue to use your workflow or did i missed something?

[chimp_spanner]

Ha!
But sadly all too true. Everything in this world is busy doing that. Blindly running themselves over the cliff they are too arrogant to admit is real.

Exactely this;
The new "browser" is tailored towards users that CONSUME presets like they consume Netflix from their Ipads.
People who know what they are doing, have their own mindmap of how they want to order and store presets and data.
This is a HUGE step backwards.

Since R13s browser I've found so many presets that I literally never would have with 12s browser, because I simply don't have the time to waste, mousing through individual folders within preset banks of REs. I barely get time to write music these days. So when I DO have the time, best believe I'm gonna "consume" presets if they already exist and are good, rather than eating into time that could/should be spent actually making music.

I don't see anything about the new system that stops anyone from having their own methods of organisation and curation. But it is absolutely not a step backwards to cater to people who need to find ready made sounds quickly. And not all of those people are lazy or inexperienced. I'm 40, and I've been doing this in some form since the late 90s. I've done plenty of commercial patch and sound design. I just don't have the time to do it for myself over and over again when what I wanna do is write music. Whatever gets me to the 'making music part' quicker is fine by me. If it benefits less experienced people, I don't care. Good for them I guess!

Of course I'd *always* recommended people acquire the skills they need to alter a sound, or make their own if they can't find what they're after.

And it goes without saying the current browser is not without its flaws and has room for improvement. That much is very clear! But I've enjoyed unearthing some good, inspiring sounds with it.

[WOO]

I did a complete wipe of Reason and then reinstalled. I then opened the browser and went out for the day. So far so good but I haven't installed anything since then so we'll see.

That's exactly what I had to do to get reason functional. I also got rid of lots of programs and bits and bobs of stuff that I was no longer interested in or using. It worked for a time. I just opened up a couple of songs I was working on yesterday and the indexing was causing some playback issues. Its almost always running now, though I have not added or deleted anything. I have to ask. Why didn't they build in the ability to turn off indexing once it was finished or the ability to choose what locations or folders to scan. It seems a ridiculous waste of time and computer resources to have it scan everything. I do like the new browser. It has located tons of sounds and presets that I wouldn't have explored or even know was there. There's a lot to like in this new version. Btw I can no longer access my refills using the browser. I have to use 'the go to file in explorer' menu in
order to use them. Once I do that they all show up in the browser. But only while reasons running.

[bieh]

I did a complete wipe of Reason and then reinstalled. I then opened the browser and went out for the day. So far so good but I haven't installed anything since then so we'll see.

I did that too and it achieved nothing. The "This PC" folder was still completely blank after Reason was open for 11 hours. Then I installed a single sound pack from Reason+, and 30 minutes later it still wasn't accessible from the browser. I didn't wait longer before I uninstalled it again in order to install a logging version provided by Reason Support.

Also, I've found that if you need a patch that doesn't appear in the browser, and you try to drag it into the browser from Windows Explorer, the browser opens to the location where the patch is, but the patch doesn't appear. So you still can't load the patch from the browser.

[bieh]

I did a complete wipe of Reason and then reinstalled. I then opened the browser and went out for the day. So far so good but I haven't installed anything since then so we'll see.

I did that too and it achieved nothing. The "This PC" folder was still completely blank after Reason was open for 11 hours. Then I installed a single sound pack from Reason+, and 30 minutes later it still wasn't accessible from the browser. I didn't wait longer before I uninstalled it again in order to install a logging version provided by Reason Support.

Also, I've found that if you need a patch that doesn't appear in the browser, and you try to drag it into the browser from Windows Explorer, the browser opens to the location where the patch is, but the patch doesn't appear. So you still can't load the patch from the browser.

The logging version of Reason 13.1 failed in the first 5 minutes of use, with a continual loop of error messages, making nothing possible but exiting the program with the Task Manager.

[moneykube]

The logging version of Reason 13.1 failed in the first 5 minutes of use, with a continual loop of error messages, making nothing possible but exiting the program with the Task Manager.

All of this is not good. Wow> The logging version as well
Yet another "reason" not to be an unpaid "test this for free for us" guy. I paid for the software already. It should do what it says it will do.
I am still sorting files. I reduced clutter by over a TB > I'm almost ready to try the browser once more, but I do wish support would get back to me and offer solutions, or at least an update fixing this odd behaviour. This has wasted much of my time and should not have>since all other versions just "worked"> with minor bugs that got dealt with eventually. I hope this is not an "eventually event", as this is a major bug in this crazy matrix of the future. Perhaps when I complete my file purge and sorting > a new update will be cooked up. Here is hoping

[MrFigg]

I did a complete wipe of Reason and then reinstalled. I then opened the browser and went out for the day. So far so good but I haven't installed anything since then so we'll see.

No offence but oldschool methods like that are likely never needed any longer. If they ever were. Reason is very well coded in itself. But I understand when frustration calls. If you have a lot of data for it to chew it has to be left on I guess.

I don't mind it taking time to index but I do mind it having to do it every time I open Reason...and then not working. As said yesterday, a complete reinstall worked but now when I opened Reason the circle is spinning and nothing is showing. Even the Reason Library is blank.

[MrFigg]

Also been finding that when I close Reason I then have to go in on Task Manager and stop the process manually.

[moneykube]

Also been finding that when I close Reason I then have to go in on Task Manager and stop the process manually.

I have been there many times sadly.

[WOO]

Whenever I'm using reason and exit it out of it, I've noticed the disc activity light on my computer stays on for several minutes with nothing else running. In previous versions of reason the activity light would stop within a few seconds after shutting reason down. So i was wondering, is this because reason 13 is doing some behind the scenes work related to the indexing feature, thus the disc activity? Since i've noticed this disc activity going on. I now wait until all disc activity has stopped after closing reason and before i shut off my computer. Although that hasn't helped with the all folders spinning wheel continually spinning and the occasional playback problem of songs that, that activity is causing. Is reason aware of these problems and if so any word on a fix?

[joeyluck]

Yes, these are known issues currently under investigation. If you can join the beta, I think that would help greatly.

[jam-s]

I think the bug is like follows: If R13.1 detects any change in any of the shortcut locations it starts to rescan all of them in stead of just the one that changed. Right now Reason is also rescanning all my locations, but at least some of the old index seems to be retained so I can still select some patches from other locations and the FSB (after waiting some 10+ seconds each time before the results are shown).

To word it positively: There is still great potential for further improvements in the R13 release cycle...

p.s. The (almost) endless torrent of assertion errors also happened to me with the 13.1 beta, sadly the bug report seems to have not made it through to RS and right now I cannot access the studio PC where it happened.

[Abstrax]

i noticed that when saving a patch, reason doesn't default back to the previous save location like R12. instead it defaults to the 'User Library' folder. it's one of those locations that cant be removed from the browser, even tho i have no files in it right now.

So do they want us to move our sample folder into this location? would this solve the indexing problem?

[WOO]

Yes, these are known issues currently under investigation. If you can join the beta, I think that would help greatly.

If I join the beta would I have to download all of the factory sounds and presets again and then go thru the indexing process? In my case I let the indexing run from 5 pm until around 11 am the next day. At which time the indexing indicators had all stopped and everything was showing up in the browser with the exception of my refills folder. I spoke of this issue in a previous post and how now days later the indexing feature is running non stop and how it impacts playback of songs.

[ab459]

Well, for NOW, it seems i already can't say that browser\indexation make problem.
Having waited a couple of times before (for the end of indexing activity) now I for example, also add all my other separate folders with refills, and scanning/indexing occurs a;ready in about seconds now.
As well after relaunch Reason (no activity\cpu usage).

So, advice to those who still have this problem - it seems that just need to wait for the process to finish the first time you launch R13. Although this can take a really long time, even several hours. But you can just minimize the program and go about your business.
And then, during subsequent launches, you will find that everything has returned to normal idle (and adding other folders will not cause so long indexation).

Perhaps need to add, like summarise (regarding indexation).
If process of main use can say ok, but, comparing with R11 (and 12 i guess), there is really slowdown in R13 with starting of program (and partially after).

In R11 start itself occurs couple times faster, but not only, i see that in R13 even after quit occurs some action with indexation process in system tray, with HDD activity. (IDK maybe this not so problematik with SSD ?)
What increases time for cycle of restart program.

Also after quit i see sometimes that Reason process hang in system tray. (With R11 no such behavior)
Upd: for example now i have 3 hanging reason processes (well had no time to restart windows yet) and btw can't kill it even thru proc.explorer, "Error terminating process: access is denied"

Definitely need to improve something with that phases.

[selig]

The logging version of Reason 13.1 failed in the first 5 minutes of use, with a continual loop of error messages, making nothing possible but exiting the program with the Task Manager.

All of this is not good. Wow> The logging version as well
Yet another "reason" not to be an unpaid "test this for free for us" guy. I paid for the software already. It should do what it says it will do.

IF you are running a LOGGING version, you are running a BETA by definition. No one can run a logging version of the final release version, so if you are running the software you paid for it cannot be a logging version full stop.
Apologies if I’m explaining the obvious to you…

[bitley]

Reason 13 User woes

[moneykube]

All of this is not good. Wow> The logging version as well
Yet another "reason" not to be an unpaid "test this for free for us" guy. I paid for the software already. It should do what it says it will do.

IF you are running a LOGGING version, you are running a BETA by definition. No one can run a logging version of the final release version, so if you are running the software you paid for it cannot be a logging version full stop.
Apologies if I’m explaining the obvious to you…

yup... I'm running the paid version. I am not in the beta program. I'm not running the beta as some have suggested I do. Two reports here say the beta crashes> so I'll pass on that, and that is what I meant...quite obvious indeed

[supersmarter]

I dont see a step backward regarding your description. Nothing prevents you to continue to use your workflow or did i missed something?

My workflow for the past few years was that the browser was pinned to the left side of any of my two screens. If you say I can continue doing that, let me know how. ATM browser is covering all of my devices. Ableton Live managed to upgrade the browser with tags without moving the browser at all.

So for my workflow this is a step back 1.

Moreover, I think I am stupid and don't see some settings or something that I need to do. Here is what is happening. No matter what I do, whenever I want to save preset it defaults to my C drive, User Library.

For the past few years when I saved my own preset, during the same session when I wanted to save another preset Reason was smart enough (just as any other DAW) to remember my last saved location (folder). That has not happened since I upgraded. I press the save icon and despite the fact that the previous preset (in the same session) was saved in the location of my choice Reason does not remember that anymore. It always back to "User Library" which is not what I want.

Please tell me I am tripping and this is not a regression they deliberately made. I don't want a workaround I just wish to the old behavior of my workflow back.

If that can not happen then this is step back number 2.

I could perhaps accept their new way of thinking but please tell me can I define the path of my own "User Library"?

[Loque]

I dont see a step backward regarding your description. Nothing prevents you to continue to use your workflow or did i missed something?

My workflow for the past few years was that the browser was pinned to the left side of any of my two screens. If you say I can continue doing that, let me know how. ATM browser is covering all of my devices. Ableton Live managed to upgrade the browser with tags without moving the browser at all.

So for my workflow this is a step back 1.

Moreover, I think I am stupid and don't see some settings or something that I need to do. Here is what is happening. No matter what I do, whenever I want to save preset it defaults to my C drive, User Library.

For the past few years when I saved my own preset, during the same session when I wanted to save another preset Reason was smart enough (just as any other DAW) to remember my last saved location (folder). That has not happened since I upgraded. I press the save icon and despite the fact that the previous preset (in the same session) was saved in the location of my choice Reason does not remember that anymore. It always back to "User Library" which is not what I want.

Please tell me I am tripping and this is not a regression they deliberately made. I don't want a workaround I just wish to the old behavior of my workflow back.

If that can not happen then this is step back number 2.

I could perhaps accept their new way of thinking but please tell me can I define the path of my own "User Library"?

I help you to match the context of my answer and question:

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People who know what they are doing, have their own mindmap of how they want to order and store presets and data.
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Regarding the new default folder, please contact RS and tell them your needs. This is the only way you get heard.

[Arrant]

Support got back to me with some more info, I think it will be helpful to share the essence of it here:

1 The browser is only scanning the folders and files you have in any of the locations in the browser, including your shortcuts.
2 To improve performance, reduce the amount of folders and files in the locations (i.e., your shortcuts)

This at least means that the user should be able to have some control over the situation.
I'll see if I can apply this advice to any effect, which means removing or rearranging my shortcuts.