Announcing Reason 13

[WolfZeit]

Sorry friends for asking a dumb one.

Will Reason 13 show up in the DAW like all the other updates?

Peace brothers and sisters

If you’re asking if 13 will be an “auto-update” in 12, the answer is no. All major versions always require a separate download & install so you can optionally keep previous versions installed.

EnochLight, do you know if that also applies to Reason+ users, that we can keep both versions running? Thanks.

[stratatonic]

So, am I the only one who would miss the Tool Window??

The new workflow is going to add more clicking and dragging especially when working in the sequencer. At the very end of the workflow vid, Ryan highlights some clips and scrolls down, after clicking the clip(s), to get to the Note Tools option and then gets to the Transpose, which then opens up the Transpose parameters. After clicking Apply, the Transpose options remain open until clicking an X. So if you additionally wanted to change the velocity and do a legato adjustment, you'd have to close out the Transpose window, reclick the clip to scroll down to the Note Tools option, find the Velocity option, apply the Velocity, click the X to close, click the clip to scroll down to the Legato Adustments and oh...it looks like there is no Legato option, so now doubleclick the clip to get to Edit Mode, and scroll on the left to find the Legato Adjustment to adjust apply and reclick to get back to the sequencer.
Is that about right?

Currently, I can click the clip at the same time I press F8, and then hit Apply three times in the Tool Window and I'm done.

The Tool Window has never been in the way as I can stick it wherever I want and have the things I usually want adjusted always open, so I'm just clicking the needed Apply button(s). Now in Edit Mode, certain parameters will always be hidden until you scroll them into view.

[EnochLight]

EnochLight, do you know if that also applies to Reason+ users, that we can keep both versions running? Thanks.

Yes - Reason+ users literally install the same version of Reason as regular Reason users do - it's just your account authorization that gets you the additional content.

[WolfZeit]

EnochLight, do you know if that also applies to Reason+ users, that we can keep both versions running? Thanks.

Yes - Reason+ users literally install the same version of Reason as regular Reason users do - it's just your account authorization that gets you the additional content.

That's great news. I'm not ready to give up on 12 just yet. Thanks for replying.

[svenh]

I've been using Pump in send mode for sidechain compression for ages now. It's so good and I'm surprised it isn't a more common technique. No messing around with audio cabling or parallel channels or muted kicks. I just run a gate out from my drum machine of choice and trigger the envelope that way. Reason's Sidechain has a lot more controls and does high/low band too so I'll most certainly be using it for that.

I don't understand how it is possible to use a ducking effect as a send fx? How does it lower the volume of the channels? Is it just adding phase inverted versions of them? If so, I guess this does not work if the channels to be ducked use other send effects?

[mcatalao]

So, am I the only one who would miss the Tool Window??

The new workflow is going to add more clicking and dragging especially when working in the sequencer. At the very end of the workflow vid, Ryan highlights some clips and scrolls down, after clicking the clip(s), to get to the Note Tools option and then gets to the Transpose, which then opens up the Transpose parameters. After clicking Apply, the Transpose options remain open until clicking an X. So if you additionally wanted to change the velocity and do a legato adjustment, you'd have to close out the Transpose window, reclick the clip to scroll down to the Note Tools option, find the Velocity option, apply the Velocity, click the X to close, click the clip to scroll down to the Legato Adustments and oh...it looks like there is no Legato option, so now doubleclick the clip to get to Edit Mode, and scroll on the left to find the Legato Adjustment to adjust apply and reclick to get back to the sequencer.
Is that about right?

Currently, I can click the clip at the same time I press F8, and then hit Apply three times in the Tool Window and I'm done.

The Tool Window has never been in the way as I can stick it wherever I want and have the things I usually want adjusted always open, so I'm just clicking the needed Apply button(s). Now in Edit Mode, certain parameters will always be hidden until you scroll them into view.

No. I'm a strong believer that the tool window shouldn't have been removed. I can't talk more due to NDA, but I'm not happy. It seems they just catered the users that don't RTFM.

[selig]

So, am I the only one who would miss the Tool Window??

The new workflow is going to add more clicking and dragging especially when working in the sequencer. At the very end of the workflow vid, Ryan highlights some clips and scrolls down, after clicking the clip(s), to get to the Note Tools option and then gets to the Transpose, which then opens up the Transpose parameters. After clicking Apply, the Transpose options remain open until clicking an X. So if you additionally wanted to change the velocity and do a legato adjustment, you'd have to close out the Transpose window, reclick the clip to scroll down to the Note Tools option, find the Velocity option, apply the Velocity, click the X to close, click the clip to scroll down to the Legato Adustments and oh...it looks like there is no Legato option, so now doubleclick the clip to get to Edit Mode, and scroll on the left to find the Legato Adjustment to adjust apply and reclick to get back to the sequencer.
Is that about right?

Currently, I can click the clip at the same time I press F8, and then hit Apply three times in the Tool Window and I'm done.

The Tool Window has never been in the way as I can stick it wherever I want and have the things I usually want adjusted always open, so I'm just clicking the needed Apply button(s). Now in Edit Mode, certain parameters will always be hidden until you scroll them into view.

All I can say is that’s not exactly how it works (there are other ways), there are far fewer steps involved in the new workflow, and in some cases more steps than you describe in the old.
I guess if I first went in and expanded every option in the tool window (if I’m on a screen that can show it all without scrolling), and then typed in my defaults, then after that I can work pretty quickly. But just maybe it works the same way in R13? Again, that’s all I can say, won’t be long before all will be revealed anyway.

[Steedus]

I've been using Pump in send mode for sidechain compression for ages now. It's so good and I'm surprised it isn't a more common technique. No messing around with audio cabling or parallel channels or muted kicks. I just run a gate out from my drum machine of choice and trigger the envelope that way. Reason's Sidechain has a lot more controls and does high/low band too so I'll most certainly be using it for that.

I don't understand how it is possible to use a ducking effect as a send fx? How does it lower the volume of the channels? Is it just adding phase inverted versions of them? If so, I guess this does not work if the channels to be ducked use other send effects?

Yeah that was a first for me to see done too. I need to watch it again and then have a p[lay around cause I still don't get how it would work as a send - unless you set it to POST fader, and then just turn the channel fader down .. but that's not ideal.

[selig]

I don't understand how it is possible to use a ducking effect as a send fx? How does it lower the volume of the channels? Is it just adding phase inverted versions of them? If so, I guess this does not work if the channels to be ducked use other send effects?

Yeah that was a first for me to see done too. I need to watch it again and then have a p[lay around cause I still don't get how it would work as a send - unless you set it to POST fader, and then just turn the channel fader down .. but that's not ideal.

All it does is it 'returns' polarity inverted audio to create the "duck" effect, so when the kick hits it sends out inverted bass to duck the bass. A full level send (unity) gives full ducking, sending less will duck less. Multiple tracks can be ducked, each by their own send amount (which is pretty cool when you think about it). Obviously if you use FX on sends from any tracks being ducked the FX will not be ducked, since you're not actually changing the channel level with this setup.

[Creativemind]

I haven't read this thread for a couple of weeks-ish and it was up to I think page 17 then so apologies if this has been asked in the 18 till now pages of this thread but I'm assuming the RRP will be updated too so people who use another daw can access Polytone, Ripley etc?

[Steedus]

Yeah that was a first for me to see done too. I need to watch it again and then have a p[lay around cause I still don't get how it would work as a send - unless you set it to POST fader, and then just turn the channel fader down .. but that's not ideal.

All it does is it 'returns' polarity inverted audio to create the "duck" effect, so when the kick hits it sends out inverted bass to duck the bass. A full level send (unity) gives full ducking, sending less will duck less. Multiple tracks can be ducked, each by their own send amount (which is pretty cool when you think about it). Obviously if you use FX on sends from any tracks being ducked the FX will not be ducked, since you're not actually changing the channel level with this setup.

Ahh right makes sense! Seems very handy, I never thought to do this.

[QVprod]

I haven't read this thread for a couple of weeks-ish and it was up to I think page 17 then so apologies if this has been asked in the 18 till now pages of this thread but I'm assuming the RRP will be updated too so people who use another daw can access Polytone, Ripley etc?

RRP is part of Reason. Not a separate product. So it gets the same device updates

[Yonatan]

One day left

[Kypresso]

Apologies if this is already been posted but i cant see anywhere what the upgrade to reason 13 price will be?

[Popey]

Apologies if this is already been posted but i cant see anywhere what the upgrade to reason 13 price will be?

I am not sure if it has been posted anywhere yet as I have been trying to find out.

I am assuming it will be 199 but hopefully there will be some sort of introductory pricing deal. Personally 199 is a bit steep as a RRP user but waiting to see what's on offer or if further discounts can be had from jrr shop etc.

[Steedus]

Apologies if this is already been posted but i cant see anywhere what the upgrade to reason 13 price will be?

It's mentioned here "Standard Upgrade: $199"

https://www.reasonstudios.com/get-reason

But at some point it usually does go on sale (Black Friday etc)

[Pepin]

Apologies if this is already been posted but i cant see anywhere what the upgrade to reason 13 price will be?

It's mentioned here "Standard Upgrade: $199"

https://www.reasonstudios.com/get-reason

But at some point it usually does go on sale (Black Friday etc)

Yes, but that's for upgrading to Reason 12 (which currently includes 13 for free).
It's still possible there could be introductory pricing if it's limited to existing owners of Reason 12.

[stratatonic]

I guess if I first went in and expanded every option in the tool window (if I’m on a screen that can show it all without scrolling), and then typed in my defaults, then after that I can work pretty quickly.

Well, I only have my commonly used ones open - so it's not ever fully expanded, and I can move the window wherever I want and all the APPLY buttons are accessible. (and easily seen as there is one button for each option)

From what I see on the vid, you could expand your commonly used tools (and I'm sure Reason would retain that info even after you close the Edit Mode and re-open again.). But it looks like expanding your tools in the small window of Edit Mode now introduces a scroll bar on the right of the Tool Options - so now you are scrolling to find the option(s) you wanted. And if you have expanded your options for quick access, then you don't see all the Inspector values that were always visible at the top.

[stratatonic]

So, am I the only one who would miss the Tool Window??

The new workflow is going to add more clicking and dragging especially when working in the sequencer. At the very end of the workflow vid, Ryan highlights some clips and scrolls down, after clicking the clip(s), to get to the Note Tools option and then gets to the Transpose, which then opens up the Transpose parameters. After clicking Apply, the Transpose options remain open until clicking an X. So if you additionally wanted to change the velocity and do a legato adjustment, you'd have to close out the Transpose window, reclick the clip to scroll down to the Note Tools option, find the Velocity option, apply the Velocity, click the X to close, click the clip to scroll down to the Legato Adustments and oh...it looks like there is no Legato option, so now doubleclick the clip to get to Edit Mode, and scroll on the left to find the Legato Adjustment to adjust apply and reclick to get back to the sequencer.
Is that about right?

Currently, I can click the clip at the same time I press F8, and then hit Apply three times in the Tool Window and I'm done.

The Tool Window has never been in the way as I can stick it wherever I want and have the things I usually want adjusted always open, so I'm just clicking the needed Apply button(s). Now in Edit Mode, certain parameters will always be hidden until you scroll them into view.

No. I'm a strong believer that the tool window shouldn't have been removed. I can't talk more due to NDA, but I'm not happy. It seems they just catered the users that don't RTFM.

Right? In the workflow video, Ryan goes over how some of those features work as if new - but they've been around all this time! RS has just re-arranged stuff that was already been in the program!
At the very least, they could have still left the Tool Window with no disruption to their new vision.

[chimp_spanner]

So, am I the only one who would miss the Tool Window??

The new workflow is going to add more clicking and dragging especially when working in the sequencer. At the very end of the workflow vid, Ryan highlights some clips and scrolls down, after clicking the clip(s), to get to the Note Tools option and then gets to the Transpose, which then opens up the Transpose parameters. After clicking Apply, the Transpose options remain open until clicking an X. So if you additionally wanted to change the velocity and do a legato adjustment, you'd have to close out the Transpose window, reclick the clip to scroll down to the Note Tools option, find the Velocity option, apply the Velocity, click the X to close, click the clip to scroll down to the Legato Adustments and oh...it looks like there is no Legato option, so now doubleclick the clip to get to Edit Mode, and scroll on the left to find the Legato Adjustment to adjust apply and reclick to get back to the sequencer.
Is that about right?

Currently, I can click the clip at the same time I press F8, and then hit Apply three times in the Tool Window and I'm done.

The Tool Window has never been in the way as I can stick it wherever I want and have the things I usually want adjusted always open, so I'm just clicking the needed Apply button(s). Now in Edit Mode, certain parameters will always be hidden until you scroll them into view.

No. I'm a strong believer that the tool window shouldn't have been removed. I can't talk more due to NDA, but I'm not happy. It seems they just catered the users that don't RTFM.

I work for a music library. We've spent insane amounts of money building a website with negative search, alt mixes, stems, bpm calculation, sonic-search, etc. for thousands of albums, hundreds of thousands of tracks, millions of files. I, personally, have worked insanely hard to develop a metadata system that makes all this stuff searchable/findable. The other day I logged in to work and notice the site looked weird. Everything was brightly coloured in. I immediately got in touch with the boss like "something's up with the site". Turns out, after a couple of weeks of chatting at various industry events, talking to supervisors and editors some of who use our site daily, and have done for years, NONE of them were aware any of these features existed. Even though they were right there in front of them. It actually blew my mind. These are adult, working professionals who either don't have the time or the inclination to be curious enough to just...press a button, or read the text on the screen. Every week people email asking "do you have stems for this track". There's a button...called stems.

So now we've abandoned all of our site colour branding and signposted everything to make it - in theory - idiot proof.

All of this is to say, for various reasons, I feel like computer competency has actually declined somewhat. I don't know if it's because people have grown up on phones and tablets. Or their attention spans have been nuked by short-form content lol I read something recently that a lot of Gen Alphas just don't understand folders or directory structures. Because they don't encounter them on their mobile devices. A co-worker of mine had to teach a 20something year old the shortcuts for copy/paste.

Bit of an old-man rant. But yeah this is what software developers have to contend with. My deepest sympathies to them.

[friday]

So, am I the only one who would miss the Tool Window??

The new workflow is going to add more clicking and dragging especially when working in the sequencer. At the very end of the workflow vid, Ryan highlights some clips and scrolls down, after clicking the clip(s), to get to the Note Tools option and then gets to the Transpose, which then opens up the Transpose parameters. After clicking Apply, the Transpose options remain open until clicking an X. So if you additionally wanted to change the velocity and do a legato adjustment, you'd have to close out the Transpose window, reclick the clip to scroll down to the Note Tools option, find the Velocity option, apply the Velocity, click the X to close, click the clip to scroll down to the Legato Adustments and oh...it looks like there is no Legato option, so now doubleclick the clip to get to Edit Mode, and scroll on the left to find the Legato Adjustment to adjust apply and reclick to get back to the sequencer.
Is that about right?

Currently, I can click the clip at the same time I press F8, and then hit Apply three times in the Tool Window and I'm done.

The Tool Window has never been in the way as I can stick it wherever I want and have the things I usually want adjusted always open, so I'm just clicking the needed Apply button(s). Now in Edit Mode, certain parameters will always be hidden until you scroll them into view.

That is exactly what my thoughts was, when I saw that behavior in the video. Fells like back to the old Cubase times....

[Creativemind]

I haven't read this thread for a couple of weeks-ish and it was up to I think page 17 then so apologies if this has been asked in the 18 till now pages of this thread but I'm assuming the RRP will be updated too so people who use another daw can access Polytone, Ripley etc?

RRP is part of Reason. Not a separate product. So it gets the same device updates

The browser is specific to the daw itself isn't it so doubtful the browser in the RRP will change right?

[Pepin]

Maybe the tool window should have been integrated into the new browser

[mcatalao]

RRP is part of Reason. Not a separate product. So it gets the same device updates

The browser is specific to the daw itself isn't it so doubtful the browser in the RRP will change right?

The browser is not specific to the daw, you also search and navigate sounds on the RRP. So it will affect RRP, because the assets that are common to both the DAW and RRP evolve together (actually they are a common asset, so they simply evolve).

What is not a common asset is everything you had on the Tool window, new sequencer edit window and new behaviours. And if there is any change to the rack we haven't heard of yet or seen, they will also affect RRP.

Oh and as QVProd said, the device updates are also common, except for some devices that are either only on the DAW (advanced midi device, master channel, mixer channels, probably the big knob) are rack devices that don't exist in the rrp but might change in the DAW but won't reflect on RRP...

[jam-s]

RRP is part of Reason. Not a separate product. So it gets the same device updates

The browser is specific to the daw itself isn't it so doubtful the browser in the RRP will change right?

Why would they keep two distinct implementations around? It's just an additional burden. Thus I expect the RRP to also get the new browser.