Gates to notes

[Jackjackdaw]

If I have a sequencer such as Propulsion with multiple gate outputs is there a device that converts to user defined midi notes? If I want to have Propulsion control an external midi drum machine that has fixed midi notes defined for example.

[Bes]

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... /tonerows/

[Jackjackdaw]

Perfect, thanks

[huggermugger]

https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... /tonerows/

Didn't know about this one. Nice!

[Bes]

fyi:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_row

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[crimsonwarlock]

Also this one https://www.reasonstudios.com/shop/rack ... n/trigate/

It does a lot more than tonerows, especially turning trigger signsls into gate signals.

[dmitrijsorokin]

CV Player Tap converts Propulsion gates to midi.

[Jackjackdaw]

CV Player Tap converts Propulsion gates to midi.

Does it let you assign the midi notes it outputs though?

[rmtcvolte]

CV Player Tap converts Propulsion gates to midi.

Does it let you assign the midi notes it outputs though?

Yes, if you connect the cv1 (or other static cv value) from propulsion (or other source) to "note" on CVPT.

[dmitrijsorokin]

CV Player Tap converts Propulsion gates to midi.

Does it let you assign the midi notes it outputs though?

If 16 notes are not enough for you, use transpose. CV Player Tap is a pretty old device, so I thought it was pretty obvious to use.

[Jackjackdaw]

I mean the gate has to trigger a specific note. The external drum machine has fixed notes for each sound , I need to assign those specific notes

[dmitrijsorokin]

I mean the gate has to trigger a specific note. The external drum machine has fixed notes for each sound , I need to assign those specific notes

You have 16 notes. If the note you want is outside this range, use AB Transpose or something similar.

[selig]

I mean the gate has to trigger a specific note. The external drum machine has fixed notes for each sound , I need to assign those specific notes

You have 16 notes. If the note you want is outside this range, use AB Transpose or something similar.

you would need a “Transpose” for each individual note, right?
The suggestion above for ToneRows sounds perfect for this application, although the name made me think it was designed to do traditional tone row composition.
Maybe the name was an attempt to use a familiar term, or maybe they didn’t know about Tone Rows - or maybe I don’t know enough about the product! Either way, sounds like the best “one device” solution to the problem.

[dmitrijsorokin]

you would need a “Transpose” for each individual note, right?

Not necessary. What kind of drum machine is this with such a range of notes across octaves?

[PhillipOrdonez]

Tone rows! I knew that device would come in handy one day

[dmitrijsorokin]

Does it let you assign the midi notes it outputs though?

Yes, if you connect the cv1 (or other static cv value) from propulsion (or other source) to "note" on CVPT.

Connect 16 gate outputs from Propulsion to CVPT. Then get 16 cv+gate, starting from the note C1 36.



Yes, you can also correct notes using cv8x4-cv-generator

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[crimsonwarlock]

Not all drum sequencers output gate signals. In some cases, it is a trigger signal instead of a regular gate signal. I ran into that problem when I tried sequencing Algoritm with BeatMap. The trigger signals are too short to use with synths. That's when I found Trigater in the shop, as it is designed specifically to solve that problem. Because of this, it can not only set notes for incoming triggers, but also set individual gate-times for each note that it triggers. Additionally, it can set a specific velocity for each note.

I looked at the manual for ToneRows, but it doesn't seem to have options for gate-lengths or velocity. My guess is: It only works with gate signals and not with triggers.

[Jackjackdaw]

you would need a “Transpose” for each individual note, right?

Not necessary. What kind of drum machine is this with such a range of notes across octaves?

The drum machine’s midi map is not chromatic. The notes it needs to receive are all over the place so need to be defined .

[selig]

Not all drum sequencers output gate signals. In some cases, it is a trigger signal instead of a regular gate signal. I ran into that problem when I tried sequencing Algoritm with BeatMap. The trigger signals are too short to use with synths. That's when I found Trigater in the shop, as it is designed specifically to solve that problem. Because of this, it can not only set notes for incoming triggers, but also set individual gate-times for each note that it triggers. Additionally, it can set a specific velocity for each note.

I looked at the manual for ToneRows, but it doesn't seem to have options for gate-lengths or velocity. My guess is: It only works with gate signals and not with triggers.

Will AutoLatch work for the trig vs gate issue, or no?
What about going full Delta, or maybe that's overkill for this job…

[crimsonwarlock]

Not all drum sequencers output gate signals. In some cases, it is a trigger signal instead of a regular gate signal. I ran into that problem when I tried sequencing Algoritm with BeatMap. The trigger signals are too short to use with synths. That's when I found Trigater in the shop, as it is designed specifically to solve that problem. Because of this, it can not only set notes for incoming triggers, but also set individual gate-times for each note that it triggers. Additionally, it can set a specific velocity for each note.

I looked at the manual for ToneRows, but it doesn't seem to have options for gate-lengths or velocity. My guess is: It only works with gate signals and not with triggers.

Will AutoLatch work for the trig vs gate issue, or no?
What about going full Delta, or maybe that's overkill for this job…

Perhaps AutoLatch can help, I don't know. I picked AutoLatch up during the last BF-sale, just because everyone seems to be raving about it, and it also seems to partner-up nicely with Delta, which I also picked up finally (was on my wishlist for quite a while). I bought Trigater to solve the problem I mentioned before, while I was building my glitch-track generator combi2. That combinator is in the combinator2 sub-forum and I remember someone (possibly mod joey) tried to replace Trigater with AutoLatch and I think that worked. But Trigater has been a very useful utility for me for using drum-sequencers (like BeatMap) as note sequencer, as it combines all the necessities for that in one nice RE.

I'm pretty sure Delta is an option as well, but as everyone points out that Delta is missing the AutoLatch features, you'll probably need them both to get it working for triggers.

Just handy to know that Trigater goes on sale often during sale-events, and then goes for a tenner

EDIT: for who is interested, the combinator is here: viewtopic.php?f=69&t=7526546

... and it was challism who used Delta and AutoLatch as a successful alternative (also discussed in that topic).

[huggermugger]

AutoLatch is brilliant for converting triggers into gates, and otherwise modifying gate lengths. I use it often to 'humanize' the output from Players whose gate lengths are static.

And as CrimsonWarlock points out, the features of AutoLatch are absent from Delta. Delta offers no control over gate times.

[rmtcvolte]

Connect 16 gate outputs from Propulsion to CVPT. Then get 16 cv+gate, starting from the note C1 36.

Thank´s, did not know CVPT transmits default values, never tried it without connecting gate and note as a pair.