NEW Benchmark songs - Europa Only - Grain only

[Re8et]

I made this simple Europa song, with the full poly patch.

My test run on an M2 mini 8gb at 128 samples ran without pop for 38 instaces or 32 sec.
Same test run at 512 samples ran first pop at 56 samples or 46 sec.

All Europas run a chord of three notes, nothing prohibitive

Europa Benchmark song V1.reason.zip

(555.04 KiB) Downloaded 133 times

Grain Benchmark song is meant to test more the RAM - Polygrain patch
My test at 128 samples ran first pop at 50 instances, with Reason using 14 Gb of RAM, split into compressed, swap by Mac OS Ventura so it ran in my 8gb RAM M2 mini without issues.

Grain Benchmark song V1.reason.zip

(103.76 KiB) Downloaded 122 times

[MadGadget]

Thanks for these, always good to test things out

On my aging old iMac Pro 8 Core Intel Xeon, 32Gb, running Ventura 13.4 and Reason 12.5.3d5, I get:

With the Europa Benchmark Song:
128 samples - 35 secs before the first pop
512 samples - 1 min 5 secs before the first pop

I could open the Grain Song, but I get a warning about Missing Rack Extensions, and when the song opens, I have the usual 'missing device' cardboard boxes in the rack, which is odd, because I have Grain Sample Manipulator.

If I drag one in off my own instrument list, it appears in the rack, but I don't have the strength of will to replace however many you already created again

[selig]

Thanks for these, always good to test things out

On my aging old iMac Pro 8 Core Intel Xeon, 32Gb, running Ventura 13.4 and Reason 12.5.3d5, I get:

With the Europa Benchmark Song:
128 samples - 35 secs before the first pop
512 samples - 1 min 5 secs before the first pop

I could open the Grain Song, but I get a warning about Missing Rack Extensions, and when the song opens, I have the usual 'missing device' cardboard boxes in the rack, which is odd, because I have Grain Sample Manipulator.

If I drag one in off my own instrument list, it appears in the rack, but I don't have the strength of will to replace however many you already created again

Wow, did you guys both run at the same sample rate? I would assume the M2 would beat an older machine but maybe the iMac Pro is really just that powerful! I’ll test with my M1 Studio Max when I get a chance and report back…

[wendylou]

Europa Benchmark
iMac Retina 27-inch , 2020
Processor: 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7
Graphics: AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT 16 GB
Memory: 64 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
macOS Ventura 13.4

Reason 12.6.1d72 (Build 15,120)
Buffer 512 samples

1 min. 3 sec. before the first pop/crackle

[Re8et]

Rerun the test with a slimmer benchmark song, wich cap out at 100 instances for a less than 8gb Ram pressure. Swapping Internal Mac Audio engine and Ext Motu Ultralite gets the same results interestingly. The test ran slightly better than with the 150 cap Europa song.
If want to try the slimmer version, just delete the last 50 Europas.

Europa Song - 100 cap - M2 mini 8gb - Reason 12.6 - Ventura 13.4

New test 128 samples - 44.1 Khz - Motu or Internal - 42 secs
512 samples - 44.1 Khz - Motu or Internal - 53 secs

[MadGadget]

Thought I would try an even older machine.

Apple Mac Pro 2013
64Gb ram
12 core Intel Xeon E5
Dual AMD FirePro D500 graphics

Running macOS Monterey 12.6.6
Reason 12.5.3d5 offline authorisation
Internal sound card

128 samples, input latency 1 ms, output latency 4ms - first pop heard at 39 seconds
512 samples, input latency 1 ms, output latency 13ms - first pop heard at 1 min 2 seconds

[MadGadget]

Just tried your slimmer version recommendation (deleted the last 50 Europas), so have 100 to test.

Interestingly, you're right:

Apple iMac Pro 2017
32Gb ram
8 core Xeon
Internal sound card

Europa song - 100 instances
128 samples, input latency 1 ms, output latency 4ms - first pop heard at 47 seconds - so 12 seconds longer than 150 instances
512 samples, input latency 1 ms, output latency 15ms - first pop heard at 1 min 11 seconds - so 6 seconds longer than 150 instances


Apple Mac Pro 2013
12 core Xeon
64Gb ram
Internal sound card

Europa song - 100 instances

128 samples, input latency 1 ms, output latency 4ms - first pop heard at 49 seconds - so 10 seconds longer than 150 instances
512 samples, input latency 1 ms, output latency 13ms - first pop heard at 1 min 14 seconds - so 12 seconds longer than 150

Both running Reason 12.5.3d5

Look at that, the older Mac Pro from 2013 with 12 cores is slightly faster than the 2017 iMac Pro with 8 cores, which you would kind of expect.

Still, the old girl has got it, well both of them

[Re8et]

Re-Run in ROSETTA MODE on M2 Mac 8gb - It seems to run MORE instances before Pops/clicks if Reason is started in Rosetta mode?!?!??? Please corroborate these findings...

128 samples 44.1 - 32/38 secs. Rosetta vs 32/33 in Native
512 samples 44.1 - 52/58 secs. Rosetta vs 46/48 in Native

Europa song Slim version (100 instances cap 7.3gb RAM)
128 samples 44.1 - 44 secs
512 samples 44.1 - 1:03 min/secs

[Re8et]

Just tried your slimmer version recommendation (deleted the last 50 Europas), so have 100 to test.

....

Still, the old girl has got it, well both of them

Strange, because your system has 16 Gb of Ram...??
Ops, sorry, 32gb and 64gb... oddly enough...
the 150 instances uses only about 9.7gb on my M2...

You got 10 and 12 secs better perf
I had 10 and 7 better perf.

Interesting...

[MadGadget]

Re-Run in ROSETTA MODE on M2 Mac 8gb - It seems to run MORE instances before Pops/clicks if Reason is started in Rosetta mode?!?!??? Please corroborate these findings...

128 samples 44.1 - 32/38 secs. Rosetta vs 32/33 in Native
512 samples 44.1 - 52/58 secs. Rosetta vs 46/48 in Native

Europa song Slim version (100 instances cap 7.3gb RAM)
128 samples 44.1 - 44 secs
512 samples 44.1 - 1:03 min/secs

Just a thought, but are you running v12.6.x?

I am running v12.5.3d5 as I am on Intel (no point in going to 12.6.x for performance) but 12.6.x is optimised for apple silicon...

[npinero1]

2021 MacBook Pro M1 Pro
32GB RAM
2TB SSD
Reason 12.6.1d72
File saved on separate NVME SSD, NOT the internal drive
24 Bit/48.1 UAD Apollo X4 Audio Interface

TEST 1
128 Buffer
got up to 57 seconds or about 70 Europa Synths before I heard my 1st click.

TEST 2
512 Buffer
Got up to 1:47 min:seconds and about 127 Europa before I started hearing clipping

TEST 3
3072 Buffer
Almost played the whole song 1st clip at 2:04 min:sec and about 147 Europa before hearing the 1st clip
I am good with that.

[Heigen5]

Europa test:
256 buffer: 48 sec
512 buffer: 1:12 sec
2048 buffer: Playd it all along to the 2:08 without any crackling.

Dell Precision 3640 MT
Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10900K 10. Gen. 10 Cores CPU @ 3.70 GHz - Turbo 5,3Ghz
DDR4 16Gb

[Re8et]

Just a thought, but are you running v12.6.x?

Yes

[Fletcher]

Windows 10
AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (1st Gen from 2017)
32GB RAM
1TB NVME
Reason 12.6.1d72

Audio interface Presonus Studio 1824c

Europa test:

TEST 1
128 Buffer
42 seconds before I heard the first click.

TEST 2
512 Buffer
I got 1 min and 2 sec before I heard clicks & pops.

[challism]

I tried running Europa benchmark on my desktop computer. It's got overheating issues, so it shuts down when under any kind of load.. hence the black screen at the end. I've really got to get that overheating fixed.

[Przemyslaw]

Intel i9 7940x @4,2GHz 14 core
Nactua D14 air cooling
32GB Ram DDR4 3600MHz
Asus TUF mainboard
M2 disks
Motu 16 Track
Windows 10
Reason 12.6.1d72

My results:
128 samples
- 1:33min - 110 Europa

512 samples
- played the whole song, no dsp bar on red

Curious about new AMD 7950x and Intel 13900k

[mannubahti95]

My test at 128 samples ran first pop at 50 instances, with Reason using 14 Gb of RAM, split into compressed, swap by Mac OS Ventura so it ran in my 8gb RAM M2 mini without issues.

[selig]

I made this simple Europa song, with the full poly patch.

My test run on an M2 mini 8gb at 128 samples ran without pop for 38 instaces or 32 sec.
Same test run at 512 samples ran first pop at 56 samples or 46 sec.

Finally ran this test:
Got to 1:19 at 128 samples
Got to 2:02 at 512 samples
Got all the way through @ 1024/2048 samples

Reason 12.6.1d72
Settings:
Max Audio Threads: Default
Render audio using audio card buffer setting size

Mac OS Monterey 12.6.1
M1 Mac Studio Max w/32 GB RAM

[not sure it mattered, but I also had other apps running such as Safari, Keynote, Mail, Calendar, Notes, Messages…]

[-008']

I have just finished a new PC, coming from my previous 10+yr old build (i7 2600k/16gb).

New Build:
i7-13700k
64gb ram
W11pro

Max Audio Threads - Default
Render audio using audio card buffer setting size - selected
buffer at 512

It played Europa version all the way thru, no pops/clicks/issues whatsoever.
My fans were larping as helicopter rotors for last few bars!

will revisit this and the grain one when i have finished setting up and tuning everything a bit more.

[wendylou]

Europa Benchmark
iMac Retina 27-inch , 2020
Processor: 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7
Graphics: AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT 16 GB
Memory: 64 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
macOS Ventura 13.4

Reason 12.6.1d72 (Build 15,120)
Buffer 512 samples

1 min. 3 sec. before the first pop/crackle

Just bought a Mac Studio M2 Ultra and tested Europa Benchmark again:

Mac Studio 2023
Chip: Apple M2 Ultra
Memory: 64 GB
macOS Ventura 13.4.1

Reason 12.6.1d72 (Build 15,120)
Buffer 512 samples

Never pops/crackles! It plays the entire song without incident. No fan noise at all, either.

Well, this is a first for me. I've never had a computer not choke at some point in these torture tests. Wow...

[npinero1]

Just bought a Mac Studio M2 Ultra and tested Europa Benchmark again:

Mac Studio 2023
Chip: Apple M2 Ultra
Memory: 64 GB
macOS Ventura 13.4.1

Reason 12.6.1d72 (Build 15,120)
Buffer 512 samples

Never pops/crackles! It plays the entire song without incident. No fan noise at all, either.

Well, this is a first for me. I've never had a computer not choke at some point in these torture tests. Wow...

WOW, Impressive. Will try with my MacBook Pro M1 Pro 32GB, 2TB.

[Carly(Poohbear)]

I built this system backend of 2018, (I have updated the memory to 64GB, GPU and an extra M.2 drive)
Windows 11
i9-7940x
64GB
4080 GPU

Reason 12.6.1d72

The Grain test only took an extra 500MB (nearly 13GB in total)

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Sample Rate 48000		
		
Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Europa's played
128		24			129
128		default			114
		
192		24			Full
192		default			135
		
256		24			Full
256		default			148
		

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Sample Rate 44100		

Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Europa's played
128		24			147
128		default			128
		
192		24			Full
192		default			Full
		
256		24			Full
256		default			Full

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Sample Rate 48000		
		
Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Grain's played
128		24			105
128		default			101
		
192		24			110
192		default			107
		
256		24			125
256		default			113
		

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Sample Rate 44100		
		
Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Grain's played
128		24			114
128		default			110
		
192		24			133
192		default			121
		
256		24			135
256		default			121
		
512		24			143
512		default			140

[Przemyslaw]

I built this system backend of 2018, (I have updated the memory to 64GB, GPU and an extra M.2 drive)
Windows 11
i9-7940x
64GB
4080 GPU

Reason 12.6.1d72

The Grain test only took an extra 500MB (nearly 13GB in total)

Code: Select all

Sample Rate 48000		
		
Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Europa's played
128		24			129
128		default			114
		
192		24			Full
192		default			135
		
256		24			Full
256		default			148
		

Code: Select all

Sample Rate 44100		

Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Europa's played
128		24			147
128		default			128
		
192		24			Full
192		default			Full
		
256		24			Full
256		default			Full

Code: Select all

Sample Rate 48000		
		
Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Grain's played
128		24			105
128		default			101
		
192		24			110
192		default			107
		
256		24			125
256		default			113
		

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Sample Rate 44100		
		
Buffer Size	Max Audio Threads	Grain's played
128		24			114
128		default			110
		
192		24			133
192		default			121
		
256		24			135
256		default			121
		
512		24			143
512		default			140

I have the same CPU, your is stock or overlocked ?
Windows 11 vs 10 any audio improvements You noticed ?

[Carly(Poohbear)]

I have the same CPU, your is stock or overlocked ?
Windows 11 vs 10 any audio improvements You noticed ?

I have overclocked it slightly, there is plenty more room however higher clocking, louder system....

I have overclocked all cores to 4.2, not sure if you know or not that you can overclock this chip by all cores or just one core, when using just one core you can push it quite high as the others stay low, I keep thinking about using this mode as you usually push one thread harder than others however with this Europa test you will see a balanced load.

I think Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 in the management of audio, I never published or made a video about it as I felt I did not have all of the conclusive information at hand, basically I have all my Windows 10 Reason 10/11/12 results however I should have ran a batch of tests just before the upgrade so I felt the new results were being compared to results that were a little bit too old, the improvement I saw was only a few % and in one case just above 5%, but as I said I wish I had up to date results from my Windows 10 build.

Overall, I really do like Windows 11 HOWEVER I did buy Start 11 for it (This gave me my Windows 10 start menu https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/ ) which for me was a must (I don't like loads of icons on my desktop which are usually hidden by programs anyway).....

[Przemyslaw]

I have the same CPU, your is stock or overlocked ?
Windows 11 vs 10 any audio improvements You noticed ?

I have overclocked it slightly, there is plenty more room however higher clocking, louder system....

I have overclocked all cores to 4.2, not sure if you know or not that you can overclock this chip by all cores or just one core, when using just one core you can push it quite high as the others stay low, I keep thinking about using this mode as you usually push one thread harder than others however with this Europa test you will see a balanced load.

I think Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 in the management of audio, I never published or made a video about it as I felt I did not have all of the conclusive information at hand, basically I have all my Windows 10 Reason 10/11/12 results however I should have ran a batch of tests just before the upgrade so I felt the new results were being compared to results that were a little bit too old, the improvement I saw was only a few % and in one case just above 5%, but as I said I wish I had up to date results from my Windows 10 build.

Overall, I really do like Windows 11 HOWEVER I did buy Start 11 for it (This gave me my Windows 10 start menu https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/ ) which for me was a must (I don't like loads of icons on my desktop which are usually hidden by programs anyway).....

Thanks Carly,

Yes I have overlocked all cores to 4.2 too. Never try to overlock one core on higher clocks, it's an interesting idea, maybe it is worth to simulate - like new intel cpu's with economy and performance cores.

So it confirms what I was watching on Dawbench (Scan Pro Audio yt channel) that Windows 11 improved audio management.

I have no icons in windows 10 desktop, only buttons on sidebar.

Will do another benchmark tests with preferences You choosed to compare.