Offline authorization will be discontinued for R11 and earlier - This is serious

[DaveyG]

Or a hardware workstation that ran Reason (such as an Akai MPC Key 61 version of Reason) -

Haha. You don't want much then!

[EnochLight]

Or a hardware workstation that ran Reason (such as an Akai MPC Key 61 version of Reason) -

Haha. You don't want much then!

Honestly, I'm good with what Akai are doing right now. I spend most of my production time on my MPC and Force, and only come into Reason on occasion. Never thought I'd see the day, but it's so liberating to walk away from a computer to be creative. I spend way too much time in front of a PC screen at my day job, I'm spent by the time I get into creative mode.

[dusan.cani]

This is serious and those saying it isn't or making fun of those who've taken umbrage at it, shame on you.

It is a real disappointment that Reason Studios' have announced their intention to essentially make their old software online-only and their new software online-only in all but name (discounting the option to check your 12.6 license out for 12 months, which isn't really a proper offline authorised mode at all; it's a temporary not-online mode). It's disheartening to witness a company erode the rights and freedom of their paying customers. While I respect the opinions of those who support this decision, I find it troubling that blind loyalty is overriding the importance of customer satisfaction and usability.

First and foremost, let's acknowledge the fact that we, as customers, have paid a significant amount of money for the software. The ability to use it 100% offline, without any dependency on an internet connection, was a key feature that Reason has always had. This change effectively takes away our ability to fully control how we use the software we have purchased.

Some may say 'so what, I'm always on the internet; doesn't matter to me'. Others may argue that this move was necessary to combat piracy or to ensure the latest updates or to remove technical debt, but let's be realistic here. Dedicated pirates will always find a way to circumvent any online protection, and the inconvenience this imposes on legitimate customers far outweighs any benefits gained. Moreover, trying to force updates by removing technology many are dependant on without a like-for-like replacement is simply frustrating.

It is baffling to see some customers blindly supporting this decision, without considering the long-term implications. We should all strive for a balance between supporting a company we love and holding them accountable when they make choices that negatively impact our user experience. Accepting these changes without questioning them sends a dangerous message to the company – that they can disregard customer preferences and still maintain a loyal following. By simply accepting these changes without voicing our concerns, we unintentionally encourage future decisions that may further restrict our freedoms as paying customers.

Reason Studios' decision to make their software accessible only online is a step backward in terms of customer rights and usability. I urge everyone, even those who support this decision, to consider the bigger picture and engage in open dialogue with the company. Our collective voice has the power to influence positive change and ensure that our interests as paying customers are prioritised.

Let's stand together and strive for a software environment that respects our rights and freedom to use the products we've purchased in a way that aligns with our needs.

Yeas, they have to cancel this model as soon as possible, I want my Reason forever and not rented for one year if I "buy" it. What a mess again, ahhh, what are they doing here? Instead of writing about "renew after one year" and kick long time users asses they could announce some "sequencer updates" or "workflow updates". What a terrible marketing move again. I am totally disappointed that I can't own it anymore soon without internet connection after first time activating. If they really do this I am out 100%.

I completely agree with you. They basically changed the behaviour of the software for which you've already paid. This is totally unacceptable and totally disrespectful for owners of previous Reason versions. I've paid for software with the specific features and behaviour implemented in the time of my purchase. That included using it offline without any dependence on third party with bothering pop-up login EVERY TIME when Reason starts. There could be a couple of major reasons why someone is able to use the software in offline mode ONLY. If that is not possible anymore, the product becomes unusable for given user and refund should happen without any doubt.

They did this nasty strategy to FORCE old Reason owners to pay for update.

[integerpoet]

I don’t think it’s that big a deal. You want to run your janky old software off line then you can run it on your janky old computer till it dies. Or it will still work if you let it phone home. Or you can just pay your upgrade fee and move with the times. This is like every other software.

JankyJankDAW

Underrated post.

[ambi]

There could be a couple of major reasons why someone is able to use the software in offline mode ONLY.

Not going to argue about the topic. I also don't like their decision.
Just out of curiosity: what major reasons could that be that prevent a user to go online for 1 day a year?

[Ichooselife]

There could be a couple of major reasons why someone is able to use the software in offline mode ONLY.

Not going to argue about the topic. I also don't like their decision.
Just out of curiosity: what major reasons could that be that prevent a user to go online for 1 day a year?

a ethernet cable that’s too short
( i’ve ordered one lol

and truth be told it’s distracting the news that pops up

[WOO]

I have an old usb stick" red with propellerhead" written on it that came with a version of reason, I believe it was record. I also have codemeter installed on my desktop. How do I make sure sure that all my re's are stored on my usb device, so that I can run version 11, on another computer whenever I purchase a new one? I need the step by step procedure. When I open the usb stick this is what it shows as stored on it. The CM- Stick folder contains the file codemtr.io that is 1 kb. in size. Thanks in advance.

[jklok]

Me too, although only a user since version 2 here, the change is quite serious for people who like the feeling of being able to roam freely.
Dropping Codemeter support for older versions is a bad business decision that will do more harm than benefit. I will no longer purchase any plugins or updates, and will now only rely on my current setup. It works pretty well without crashing.

Personally, I did a multi-system backup on multiple media and updated the cmstick to the latest version to make it work with the M1.
I have a disk image and two software backups on two systems to protect against any hardware issues. But it is nevertheless not a pleasant feeling.

Hopefully this will work with the changes I'm making while keeping an eye out for random business decisions made by the new administration at Reason Studios.

I consider Cubase to be a place to go if you want the freedom to choose your own hardware platform and avoid possibly being driven around the rental only software stage like Pro Tools users have been for some time now.

[Ichooselife]

Me too, although only a user since version 2 here, the change is quite serious for people who like the feeling of being able to roam freely.
Dropping Codemeter support for older versions is a bad business decision that will do more harm than benefit. I will no longer purchase any plugins or updates, and will now only rely on my current setup. It works pretty well without crashing.

Personally, I did a multi-system backup on multiple media and updated the cmstick to the latest version to make it work with the M1.
I have a disk image and two software backups on two systems to protect against any hardware issues. But it is nevertheless not a pleasant feeling.

Hopefully this will work with the changes I'm making while keeping an eye out for random business decisions made by the new administration at Reason Studios.

I consider Cubase to be a place to go if you want the freedom to choose your own hardware platform and avoid possibly being driven around the rental only software stage like Pro Tools users have been for some time now.

you can’t guarentee that any of these companies won’t go that way in future , we’re living in a throwaway nation now i feel the ones of us holding on to our perpetual licences will succumb or end up using free software

bandlab is going back to paid
only leaves tracktion the best free daw
dunno what happened to behringer supposedly free daw?

i think subs are bullshit as they only serve people making money from the industry

not someone who is using it for a hobby

if i had a software company i would intice people in offer things for free and then sell extras some updates etc

reason studios direction is a bit hashed and grabbed
doesn’t seem like a long term solution

adobe are different aren’t they and avid pro tools as there industry staples
used by earning industry types , so maybe a sub works for them ( colleges all use those on multi subs )

just reason studios are the most dirty
they really are using tactics to get more money , which makes me worry about there direction in future

there is no reason why offline use can’t be implanted for older versions

they want you to upgrade they want the money
and i really don’t want to pay £199 or $199
( i know you can get it cheaper )
but they really should have kept the old upgrade price as well

that was the first dirty thing they did


next one was keeping all the new stuff for reason plus
i mean your gonna she’ll out hundreds on the main licence and you don’t get all the same stuff ?


they don’t care if people crack there software now because there not interested in the long term anymore
only what they can make back quick
that’s why they have made it way easier to crack now with the basic security they have in place now

but really you can’t let people who want to stay on 11 stay on 11 ?

because they jumped ship they have no reason to upgrade they have it as a vst in there new daw

but guess what , they will be paranoid now
that if they mess up the computer or the install
that they can’t open reason offline

and a lot more people than you think like there music computers free of distractions and unplug on a session so if you close and open the software you have to keep reconnnecting the internet pain in the ass

reason have sat in a room discussing this

“ yes they will want to upgrade it will give them peace of mind haha “ make it onky for reason 12 this new offline process then we can grab back all those ship jumpers for one last paygrade yeah boo”


everyone at reason studios dances round the room

[dusan.cani]

There could be a couple of major reasons why someone is able to use the software in offline mode ONLY.

Not going to argue about the topic. I also don't like their decision.
Just out of curiosity: what major reasons could that be that prevent a user to go online for 1 day a year?

If you want to stay on R11 or below, it will not work offline at all after specified date (if you reinstall Reason or if you update / buy RE).

For example I want to go with my laptop and Reason 11 or below to environment without internet access and make music there, but it will not be possible anymore although I've paid for software that was supposed to work offline in the time of the purchase. I really wonder that this is not violating the customer rights. And if you use those Reason versions online, you will experience that stupid and extra bothering pop-up login window EVERY TIME before Reason starts. At least they could fix this pointless appearing of the popup after all those years, but they don't care. Instead, they removed offline usage and they are forcing you to pay for upgrade if you want the original functionality back.

It's also sad that many users are defending this nasty and disrespectful decision and they don't understand that there are still users who just want to stick to R11 or R10 and don't want to upgrade to R12 because of various reasons.

[dusan.cani]

Now that make sense

HAHAHA, excellent ...

[MadGadget]

I have an old usb stick" red with propellerhead" written on it that came with a version of reason, I believe it was record. I also have codemeter installed on my desktop. How do I make sure sure that all my re's are stored on my usb device, so that I can run version 11, on another computer whenever I purchase a new one? I need the step by step procedure. When I open the usb stick this is what it shows as stored on it. The CM- Stick folder contains the file codemtr.io that is 1 kb. in size. Thanks in advance.

The process is quite simple, just do the following:

1) Insert the Propellerhead Ignition Stick into your machine
2) Now go to https://reasonstudios.com,
3) Now, click the 'Login' in the top right corner and log into your account if you haven't done so before, if you have, it will show 'My Account' instead
4) Click the ''My Account' option once you have successfully logged in and you will be presented with a drop down list of options, select the 'My Products' option
5) Once you are presented with the page titled 'My Products' there should be a button on there that says 'AUTHORIZE', click that
6) You might get a pop up about allowing AUTHORIZER to start (depends on whether you are macOS or Windows) accept those messages
7) Now you should be presented with a page titled 'AUTHORIZE COMPUTER AND KEYS'

On that page, it should show you the status of your computer and the Ignition Key in terms of the Offline authorisation.

You should have the option to 'AUTHORIZE' or 'DEAUTHORIZE' your stick, once authorised, it means that you can remove it and you have your license(s) including RE's etc permanently stored on the stick.

[MadGadget]

If you want to stay on R11 or below, it will not work offline at all after specified date (if you reinstall Reason or if you update / buy RE).

It is actually possible to get everything you need so that once the deadline has passed, you could still install Reason 'and' your Rack Extensions without having to go online or need to talk to the authorisation servers, but you need to do it before the deadline and you need an Ignition stick.

The steps depend on whether you are on macOS or Windows.

Basically, you need to install everything you have on a machine and then make sure you have an Ignition stick also setup now because if you have to reinstall post-deadline, you can't then put the offline license on the machine anymore as that would require the authorisation servers.

I have tested this in readiness on both macOS and Windows and I can now install Reason12.5.3.d5 and all my purchased REs on a machine that is never connected to the internet and I can then run everything authorised using the Ignition stick.

This is different to simply cloning the machine, which is a working solution for protecting your machine against drive failure, but not totally, ie. if the motherboard dies in the future, you would have to revert to the Ignition key.

This allows me to install the build I want, in this case, 12.5.3.d5, on a completely new machine without having to connect to the authorisation servers, but I still need my license on the key.

In readiness for the impending doom

[dusan.cani]

If you want to stay on R11 or below, it will not work offline at all after specified date (if you reinstall Reason or if you update / buy RE).

It is actually possible to get everything you need so that once the deadline has passed, you could still install Reason 'and' your Rack Extensions without having to go online or need to talk to the authorisation servers, but you need to do it before the deadline and you need an Ignition stick.

Yes, I understand it as this approach was explained in the thread, thanks. Unfortunately, the ignition key costs 70 bucks

[MadGadget]

Ah, I can see that would be a problem if you haven't got one already - sorry about that

[ambi]

I really wonder that this is not violating the customer rights. And if you use those Reason versions online, you will experience that stupid and extra bothering pop-up login window EVERY TIME before Reason starts. At least they could fix this pointless appearing of the popup after all those years, but they don't care.
...
It's also sad that many users are defending this nasty and disrespectful decision and they don't understand that there are still users who just want to stick to R11 or R10 and don't want to upgrade to R12 because of various reasons.

I fear that from a legal perspective you can't do much. I checked the website (even with waybackmachine) and it always said in the software requirements that Reason needs an active internet connection.

I'm also not a supporter of that move but to be honest, I stopped caring for these things at some point because almost all companies are doing it nowadays. So switching to another software will probably not help in the long term either.

And I don't know how it is in older versions but in Reason 12 you can choose to auto-login so that the login window does not appear anymore.

[NostraDAWmus]

I fear that from a legal perspective you can't do much. I checked the website (even with waybackmachine) and it always said in the software requirements that Reason needs an active internet connection.

Yes, for authorization of the Ignition Key or the computer !
And for downloads,- p.ex. essential 'factory' and 'orchestra' library files.
But it was never all about permanent internet connection to do your work.
That´s new.

And like dusan.cani, I too think it violates customer rights,- cause when you own an Ignition Key w/ all your licences and don´t want to upgrade to Reason 12 or later, possibly because you don´t want to upgrade your DAW machine(s) all the time, it MUST be possible to install all Reason versions up to latest v11, all your RE´s you payed for as also applications (ReCycle etc.) on ANY machine matching system requirements of the to be installed/ re-installed version and as long as the Ignition Key works,- period.
And when RSNStudios want to get rid of the iterative re-autorization process of the Ignition Key,- it should work w/ just only the key as it is and w/o need to be connected to the web.

The "September 25, 2023" deadline alone is a violence of customer rights and a re-installation of the "old" software you own should not depend on your system drive or computer mainboard currently still working.
A legal user should be able to replace whatever computer hardware in case of failure and be able to re-install his licenced software products.
If not, it is no less than unbounded cheek and a sneaky trick forcing long time customers upgrading to Reason 12(+).

I´m pretty sure there are ways to organize that,- maybe individually for given customers w/ problems and via customer service.

I'm also not a supporter of that move but to be honest, I stopped caring for these things at some point because almost all companies are doing it nowadays. So switching to another software will probably not help in the long term either.

They only do because they can.
Customers are too much of good nature,- and too lazy in addition.
They know that.
When finding enough customers willing to fight, filing a case might change behaviour of software manufacturers in general.
Reason Studios and lots of other companies aren´t that rich like Apple, Google, Microsoft etc.,- so there´s a chance they might think about.

And I don't know how it is in older versions but in Reason 12 you can choose to auto-login so that the login window does not appear anymore.

There are enough pro users and studios not willing to be connected to the web w/ their DAW machines always,- this by good reasons.
The manufacturers know that too, but don´t care,- and a gazillion of amateurs does too unfortunately.
They don´t learn it´s all about subscription and I´m pretty sure, Reason Studio´s target is "subscription only".
It will be one of the next steps.



P.

[jam-s]

This allows me to install the build I want, in this case, 12.5.3.d5, on a completely new machine without having to connect to the authorisation servers, but I still need my license on the key.

Could you kindly post the exact file name of the .zip file so one could still download it just in case? Thanks.

[MadGadget]

Could you kindly post the exact file name of the .zip file so one could still download it just in case? Thanks.

Do you mean the zip used to install Reason that I mentioned or the steps to go through to install Reason completely offline?

What operating system do you use?

[jam-s]

Do you mean the zip used to install Reason that I mentioned or the steps to go through to install Reason completely offline?

What operating system do you use?

Yes, exactly that .zip for Windows. I had only saved Reason_1261_d72-Stable-710-Win.zip but that might be too recent.

[MadGadget]

Yes, exactly that .zip for Windows. I had only saved Reason_1261_d72-Stable-710-Win.zip but that might be too recent.

Here you go

This is the Reason Studios page with versions going back to v7, you'll find the 12.5.3 link near the top.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/updates

[Ichooselife]

i just had a free 6 month code i installed reason 12 and felt like i was signing my life away , i completly straight away uninstalled it lol , don’t want it to mess up my 11

and why don’t you get most of all the instruments with a perpetual you get with reason plus it’s silly oh man i hate subs , i really do

if the only way is to sub people will crack more trust me

[jam-s]

Here you go

This is the Reason Studios page with versions going back to v7, you'll find the 12.5.3 link near the top.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/updates

Doh. (I even had this page in my bookmarks...) Thanks for sharing it again.

[QVprod]

i just had a free 6 month code i installed reason 12 and felt like i was signing my life away , i completly straight away uninstalled it lol , don’t want it to mess up my 11

and why don’t you get most of all the instruments with a perpetual you get with reason plus it’s silly oh man i hate subs , i really do

if the only way is to sub people will crack more trust me

You can have both 11 and 12 installed.

R+ cost more than a perpetual license in the long run so those users get the extra bells and whistles…it’s only fair.

Those same RE are also available for purchase if you don’t want to subscribe. You may not even want all of the RS REs

[Ichooselife]

by the way if anyone is looking for one i found
propellerhead usb stick on ebay ( very cheap atm ) i’m going to be moving to studio one artists to record live so i’m not that botherd


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115905061712