Offline authorization will be discontinued for R11 and earlier - This is serious

[jam-s]

Well, the original help entries still exist and have not changed (much), so I think they'll just do as announced and just shifted the focus of the website as the upgrade sale is over now.

[dmitrijsorokin]

I noticed they removed the Recycle 2.0 installer - the page is no longer available for me to download (2.1 and 2.2 only available).

It's sad that they are removing the legacy Propellerhead Software.

[bxbrkrz]

I noticed they removed the Recycle 2.0 installer - the page is no longer available for me to download (2.1 and 2.2 only available).

It's sad that they are removing the legacy Propellerhead Software.

Is it because it's built in R13? Obi-Wan can only hope.

[jklok]

I understand if the company needs to improve its finances as other posters say it is currently making losses. That worries long-time users like myself in the hopes there are ways to bring costs down so part of the user base doesn't feel rushed.

My argument is that if Reason Studios suddenly out of nowhere removes Codemeter support this way, it could happen that registered users are forced out, leaving many with a product that without server access could easily become obsolete at any moment, unless , they update again to the latest version to rent the software in order to be able to use it at all in the future.

I know $20 a month isn't much for an average first world household who can easily afford multiple online subscriptions. But when you're the hungry bedroom producer/part-time digital nomad, the rental fees required to use various programs add up quickly, draining money from any savings account that could be set aside for future purchases.

At the moment I have to say that I am unsure of the direction in which the company is currently moving. I've always been a fan of the inclusive approach and support that helps users produce better music with their app. But now it looks like there will be a more exclusive approach.

It's sad for the creative spirit that seems to pop up from everywhere, whether it's made on a cracked system or not. It seems good music is everywhere, rich and poor alike. I've met many people who would only use a cracked version, thinking it's because their rebellious side would be inspired by it?

I know the developers are interested in avoiding copyright issues. But when managing the finances of a larger company, it is marginal to strike a good balance between maintaining popularity with users and a secure approach.

But now it feels like there's an Uncle Scrooge somewhere making long-term gains a problem.

This puts many people who enjoy owning their gear at risk. I suspect many new users are now using Reason as a plugin, making Codemeter complicated to use. But personally I am a big fan of the whole workstation as it has been simple and intuitive to use.

I don't mind the company moving on, but the cut in support for old users who have been registered for ages makes me suspect there may be an issue in the future.

It looks like the company is being forced in an untested direction.

Looking at Black Magic's recent rise and the sale of Avid, I see an opportunity in the hardware model. This is where Reason Studios should look to the Fairlight system, which is already the fastest editing platform out there. As a former MFX user, I can recommend going towards the fluid timeline that it is known for.

It would be a dream if a system like Reason followed the same approach in the long run. With dedicated quality hardware that becomes an integral part of the user experience. This is where I would invest my savings, in something of an updated version of what the sadly defunct Korg Mikrokontrol once was.

[Jackjackdaw]

I don’t think anyone is going to be looking at Fairlight for a model of a sustainable future.

[jklok]

Take a ROLAND JD-Xi design, incorporate the Fairlight design , make it as good quality as a Roland synth, incorporate an SSL SiX at a price tag below $1000. Include the software for free. sell plugins.

[selig]

I don’t think anyone is going to be looking at Fairlight for a model of a sustainable future.

Still, not bad for a company founded in the 1970s to still be an active part of a popular application.

[EnochLight]

incorporate the Fairlight design...

I don’t think anyone is going to be looking at Fairlight for a model of a sustainable future.

[VT698]

Only just seen this, and I'm not entirely clear what the implications are for me. I'm sorry for my lack of understanding, but could someone advise, please?

I don't connect my PC to the internet, except for updates and downloads, and I normally run Reason (and everything else) offline. I have found numerous times in the past that constant connection to the net eventually has repercussions with the PC getting choked up and slow - and then clearing stuff tends to often cause issues in itself. I am happy to occasionally connect to the internet - as long as I don't have to be continuously connected while I am using Reason. So - am I affected by the changes mentioned in the original post?

Many thanks for any advice!

[jklok]

The Fairlight is alive and well, and it's a serious alternative to the editing concept of Pro Tools and Cubase. It's a very quick system to use and was purchased by Blackmagic and integrated into the DaVinci software that everyone is switching to these days, due to free downloads and no rental fees. Hardware is still supported and evolving into a package that is gaining popularity beyond all expectations for editorial post-production. It's too expensive at the moment, but that will change, I'm sure. I would consider this design above anything else if that's the future you're looking at here. Good luck

[Ichooselife]

Only just seen this, and I'm not entirely clear what the implications are for me. I'm sorry for my lack of understanding, but could someone advise, please?

I don't connect my PC to the internet, except for updates and downloads, and I normally run Reason (and everything else) offline. I have found numerous times in the past that constant connection to the net eventually has repercussions with the PC getting choked up and slow - and then clearing stuff tends to often cause issues in itself. I am happy to occasionally connect to the internet - as long as I don't have to be continuously connected while I am using Reason. So - am I affected by the changes mentioned in the original post?

Many thanks for any advice!

basically write your licence to the computer now or
once before september 25 i believe and it’s good written on there unless something goes wrong with your windows and you have to re install , if you re install after september the 25th ( think i have the date right correct me)if you install after then , you will have to connect to the internet every time you load reason for verification of your on any version under 12 , only reason 12 will work
offline

this i feel is too force the masses who have stayed on reason 11 a lot of them
using it as a plugin inside other daws , to upgrade
we are literally being forced to upgrade for fear of messing up that one last codemeter authorisation to our pcs , i mean couldnt you just make the offline thing for all versions reason studios couldn’t ya ? of course they could but there not making enough green for themselves so they are forcing us . but yeah don’t mess up your windows installation man and 11 will be good for a bit offline

[EnochLight]

The Fairlight is alive and well

What we are referring to is the botched mismanagement of the company after its beginnings, and eventual fading from being an influential player in the modern music industry. But I'm sure you already knew that.

BTW, I doubt anyone would deny Peter Vogel and Kim Ryrie's effect on the music industry and the literal cultural achievements of the Fairlight CMI. Blackmagic's version of Fairlight is a faint echo of what they once were, and I seriously don't see their products having the sort of effect on the music industry that the Fairlight CMI did. That ship has sailed. But that's besides the point - Reason Studios should certainly NOT take any cues from Fairlight on how to run their business!

[jklok]

The ship left the hardware samplers a long time ago. And the fact that they ran out of money back then has nothing to do with the current state of Fairlight sound processing technology. Same goes for Emulator and countless others from that era.

I look at the technology and not the business affairs of the early music tech companies. As they are now owned by Black Magic which is currently the fastest growing platform in the media industry.

We want to make sound and music possible without technology getting in the way.

As a user of MFX in the 90s I made many customers happy to use it for tracking of all kinds before hard disk recording became the norm. It was faster to use than a mouse and qwerty keyboard, and it still is.

Now I see an evolved system and something to draw inspiration from when looking to improve your own timeline to a more user-friendly and less clunky design.

Something that would help popularize the Reason workstation as a serious alternative to its competition instead of becoming just another plugin vendor.

But I'm guessing you're in a completely different world and have no real experience of using the latest versions of Fairlight technology, putting it together with Peter Gabriel, and sampling TVs smashed up in a landfill.

I would consider this a mistake and something to watch out for as Black Magic is slowly taking over business from Avid, Apple and Adobe.

Instead of just following the trend and copying features from Ableton and Pro Tools, rethink the whole process and find new ways to make music producers do their jobs faster than ever before.

Without going into the details of which I know very little, I see something that could help Reason Studios. Produce an affordable, easy-to-use hardware unit that includes the software license. This would make the current licensing issue removed, as we see it being successfully integrated into Black Magic with the DaVinci Resolve platform.

[Ichooselife]

i wonder if you clone the hard drive and back it up somewhere would that be a way to save your codemeter licence ?

[selig]

Without going into the details of which I know very little, I see something that could help Reason Studios. Produce an affordable, easy-to-use hardware unit that includes the software license.

I totally agree about Fairlight as a company, they evolved successfully. I’m also a Resolve fan, so it’s fun to still be working with “Fairlight” on some level 40 years later.

That said, Reason already beat you to your idea of producing an affordable easy-to-use hardware unit that includes the software license. We can argue they didn’t do the hardware part “right”, but I regret to say I don’t thing they are going to go back down that rabbit hole again (at least any time soon).

[EnochLight]

Without going into the details of which I know very little, I see something that could help Reason Studios. Produce an affordable, easy-to-use hardware unit that includes the software license.

Yes, you certainly aren't familiar with this. Reason Studios did try this years ago (as Propellerhead), and it failed. They certainly shouldn't go down that road again, as much as I'd like them to. As for Fairlight, we can agree to disagree. Desktop plugins and home-based bedroom computer music production has long ruled the roost, and Fairlight certainly missed that boat. What they are doing in "media" production under new ownership is great, but I still fail to see how taking a page from Fairlight's business practices would be beneficial to Reason Studios.

[joeyluck]

Resolve Fairlight is really great for audio editing, but it lacks any MIDI recording and editing. You can send MIDI to plugins and record the audio, but that is it. So if you think Reason's sequencer is lacking in features for music making, it kills Fairlight which pretty much has nothing geared towards music making.

[MadGadget]

i wonder if you clone the hard drive and back it up somewhere would that be a way to save your codemeter licence ?

Yes, it totally will.......but only for that machine, ie. the code meter builds the licence using not just the hard disk unique key, but also some other hardware including the motherboard.

So, if your hard disk were to die, the clone would work and the code meter licence would work without requiring online activation etc.

But if you put that cloned drive in another identical machine (board etc), it will require online authorisation and the offline will not work.

Still, definitely worth doing before the cut off !!

[Ichooselife]

i wonder if you clone the hard drive and back it up somewhere would that be a way to save your codemeter licence ?

Yes, it totally will.......but only for that machine, ie. the code meter builds the licence using not just the hard disk unique key, but also some other hardware including the motherboard.

So, if your hard disk were to die, the clone would work and the code meter licence would work without requiring online activation etc.

But if you put that cloned drive in another identical machine (board etc), it will require online authorisation and the offline will not work.

Still, definitely worth doing before the cut off !!

i might just do that madgaget my old mate
ta very much , what’s a good free program , there was supposed to be a software with my crucial m2 ssd drive

[MadGadget]

Yes, it totally will.......but only for that machine, ie. the code meter builds the licence using not just the hard disk unique key, but also some other hardware including the motherboard.

So, if your hard disk were to die, the clone would work and the code meter licence would work without requiring online activation etc.

But if you put that cloned drive in another identical machine (board etc), it will require online authorisation and the offline will not work.

Still, definitely worth doing before the cut off !!

i might just do that madgaget my old mate
ta very much , what’s a good free program , there was supposed to be a software with my crucial m2 ssd drive

One of the best free ones (but not for much longer) is Macrium Reflect. Version 7 was totally free, but they are switching to a paid for version, so v8 is a 30 day trial, but should do the job

Failing that, there is AOMEI partition assistant, they still do a free version which has disk cloning (I think). Acronis TrueImage used to be free, but now paid for. I think Driveimage XML is free for personal use, that's an option if the above is no good.

[Ichooselife]

i might just do that madgaget my old mate
ta very much , what’s a good free program , there was supposed to be a software with my crucial m2 ssd drive

One of the best free ones (but not for much longer) is Macrium Reflect. Version 7 was totally free, but they are switching to a paid for version, so v8 is a 30 day trial, but should do the job

Failing that, there is AOMEI partition assistant, they still do a free version which has disk cloning (I think). Acronis TrueImage used to be free, but now paid for. I think Driveimage XML is free for personal use, that's an option if the above is no good.

acronis is the one i’m supposed to get with my drive i didn’t register it before i put it in so i’ll have to dive in my computer doh!

[jklok]

EnochLight and joeyluck,

I totally get it, I guess you could say all of Reason's music creation features would be awesome in an editing system like the Fairlight Resolve MFX.

I would take the transport and tracking features of the MFX and put them into a hardware unit that was so much more than what was done with the Propellerheads Balance unit.

It should have unique features. Like for example an integrated analog SSL mastercomp. Just like the ROLAND JD-Xi has an analog oscillator.

I would say go for the looks, price and quality of the ROLAND JD-Xi with some of the features of the defunct Korg Microcontrol and Akai MPC. and that awesome controlsystem of the MFX.

It would be a daunting task and I am just brainstorming here. Dreaming of an ideal workstation to enhance the Reason sequencer and integrate MPC and MFX functionality into a useful hardware unit under $1000!?! Or like they do at Black Magic by turning it into 2-3 really good quality units, like the speed editor and the micro panel.

Anyway just dreaming and trying to inspire the great folks at Reason studios to get back in black soon again. Cheerzz

[EnochLight]

Anyway just dreaming and trying to inspire the great folks at Reason studios to get back in black soon again. Cheerzz

I mean, you'll get no complaints from me if RS actually released a Balance 2 - shortcomings** aside, it was one of my favorite audio interfaces at the time. Or a hardware workstation that ran Reason (such as an Akai MPC Key 61 version of Reason) - I'd be all over that, especially if it supported Rack Extensions. And VST/AU. Just don't ever see that happening.

That said, I'm not sure why people think RS are in the red. Allegedly Reason+ is working just fine for them.

**Balance shortcomings:

- That baffling decision to make the shell covered in that soft rubberized crap - it turned to sticky goo within a matter of a few years
- Latency was never remarkable
- Very few driver updates (they needed to take a cue from RME)
- 2in/2out was crippling
- no VU metering on the actual unit

[selig]

… As for Fairlight, we can agree to disagree. Desktop plugins and home-based bedroom computer music production has long ruled the roost, and Fairlight certainly missed that boat. What they are doing in "media" production under new ownership is great, but I still fail to see how taking a page from Fairlight's business practices would be beneficial to Reason Studios.

Not clear what this is all about, but the idea being promoted of having a hardware controller like Fairlight does is not a bad business decision. The Fairlight name obviously means something if it’s still being used in a current and successful product. Let’s hope that long after Reason Studios moves on, the “Reason” name lives on.
So far, Fairlight has made it almost 50 years as a brand in the business - Reason Studios is just over half way there to date. And like Fairlight started with one product and successfully shifted with the market, so did Propellerheads start with ReCycle, and then the 303 emulation before landing on their current product “Reason”. I don’t think anyone sees this as a failure on either companies part that their initial offerings are no longer viable/available or supported on the current OS (looking at you, ReCycle!).

So yea, I’d love to see a Fairlight level controller for Reason, why not? But like we both mentioned, Reason “hardware” already happened once and not likely to happen under the new management IMO. But that won’t stop us from dreaming…

[EnochLight]

/Fairlight fanboy has entered the chat

jk

No but seriously, we were just talking about this:

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