Offline authorization will be discontinued for R11 and earlier - This is serious

[AnotherMathias]

Yes, they will forever ask for Codemeter, which after Sep 25th will be gone forever. I've had success in the past using an Ignition Key to let me use all Codemetered versions of Reason prior, regardless of my owning a license for that version or not, something the online authentication doesn't allow.

I would advise getting an Ignition Key and put your Reason license on it and see if Reason 6 - 10 work fully licensed when it's inserted, I think you'll find they just might.

Turns out that I already have an Ignition Key in my drawer!
I managed to put my Codemeter license on it, and so far so good - I can run v10.4.1 using that, which is an earlier version that what I originally bought.
Testing something even earlier will be more work. I'm running Catalina (the newest OS this old 2012 computer can run), but to use something like Reason v9 or older I'll need to downgrade to a pre-Catalina OS.

Thanks!

[reasonosaer]

As to the question of whether you need a completely offline machine to ensure an older version of Reason using an ignition key for authorization will function as long as the hardware its running on survives, I would not recommend running a stock version of Windows later than 7 that stays connected to the internet if you have ANY production software or data on the machine that's really important to you. The regular version of Windows does not allow you to completely turn off the invasive telemetry and updates that regularly break both Windows functionality and third party software, sometimes for months, sometimes forever.

My main production machine has always been offline and these folks https://ameliorated.io/ can help you get a clean, authorized copy of Windows installed on the box you want to take offline that will run much better and leave far more of your hardware resources available to Reason or whatever software you're running because all the spyware and background bs has been stripped out of Windows. If you are an advanced Windows user the stock AME releases will give you the most flexibility, but the "Atlas" playbook designed for gaming is actually the leanest of the verified playbooks and works just fine for Reason but it has Windows update turned on by default. Even the base AME10 version is a much smaller footprint than stock windows (i use a 32gb optane drive for my system with programs on a regular m.2 nvme drive) that will run more like a buttoned down linux system than Windows as you know it. I've been using variations of the original script this project grew out of on all my Windows machines for years and and would recommend it for any application but it's especially well suited to a long term offline production box. You do not need any special technical skills or experience to use one of their playbooks, they have very good step-by-step instructions available, just read before you proceed. I would recommend starting with a clean install and then migrating any data over rather than running the script on an existing Windows install. That's possible but there's a lot fewer ways for it to go wrong with a fresh install, just don't forget to deauthorize your machine in your Reason account and also in the ilok manager thing if you have any VSTs that need it before you reinstall Windows. One other thing to keep in mind is that installing new VSTs on a machine that's completely offline can be a headache and some developers don't allow for it at all, but if you're runnning an AME version of Windows there's a lot lower chance of Windows breaking itself if you enable the adapter or plugin the cable only when you need to install or update something. Or if everything works and you have too many plugins already just declare it a finished system. I have Acid 4 running on a time capsule laptop with a square screen as well as an early samsung note phone (the one with the little pen stylus) that just runs Caustic 3 now and I still make elements that get used in projects on both of them once in a while.

[bernardh]

Or if everything works and you have too many plugins already just declare it a finished system. I have Acid 4 running on a time capsule laptop with a square screen as well as an early samsung note phone (the one with the little pen stylus) that just runs Caustic 3 now and I still make elements that get used in projects on both of them once in a while.

Great post and I love the phrase 'declare it a finished system', I'm going to reuse that from hereon in

[avasopht]

Luckily I still have an ignition key if I need to use R10. I'm currently on R+ (free with something I bought), ... but it's still pretty uncool.

I'm guessing they've ended their license with Wibu-Systems or something - and online authorization is PH tech.

[bxbrkrz]

"On September 25, 2023 the offline authorization solution for Reason 6-11 will be discontinued. Online authorization is unaffected by this change.

Existing offline authorizations for Reason will remain effective in its current state but without any guarantees or support. If you buy a new computer, reinstall the OS, or make any other severe changes to your computer hardware, your offline authorization may become unusable.

You have received this message because there is a Reason license associated with this email address that is affected by this change."

Not even a "Hello", but thanks for the reminder.

[EnochLight]

My mood right now...

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[Loque]

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Wait! Santa Claus is dead?

[DaveyG]

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Wait! Santa Claus is dead?

Yep, and he took Reason with him.

[AnotherMathias]

There seems to be a (very small) movement of people who are considering setting up a static sealed-off system in preparation of September!

This would be a good moment for the RE creators to have a nice big sale!
Kind of a last chance opportunity for people to buy a few more REs and authorize their Ignition Keys before the deadline.

[plaamook]

...

Wait! Santa Claus is dead?

No he’s fine.
It was all just make believe anyway.

Reason isn’t dead either.
For what it’s worth the new off line mode in R12.6 is so much simpler than the last nightmare w the authorizor…which always sucked.
W that cheap deal at JRR I reckon just upgrade and forget all this mess. Life’s too short.

[Billy+]

Glad to see that people are taking things seriously.

I do wonder if RE updates are also going to cause us R11 holdouts issues as well....

[bxbrkrz]

Glad to see that people are taking things seriously.

I do wonder if RE updates are also going to cause us R11 holdouts issues as well....

Logically yes. R13 should be a unescapable and mandatory fun update

[MadGadget]

If you want an Ignition key and don't have one, they're just a CmStick rebadged. You can buy from any of these suppliers and it will 'just work' exactly like it's an Ignition Key:

https://baseheadinc.com/product/codemet ... sb-dongle/
https://www.baslerweb.com/en/products/a ... -cmdongle/
https://www.frontendaudio.com/magix-usb ... er-dongle/
https://baseheadinc.com/product/codemet ... sb-dongle/

Like "bernardh" and others, I have an offline, 'frozen' mac running rel: 12.5.3d5 and a clone of it's drive, just in case that part were to fail in the future (the only part I can clone to avoid future failure).

And I also have an ignition key with the Reason and RE licenses saved to use on other machines and also serves as a backup of my licenses.

The question is, is it possible to have two ignition keys on your account?

Currently, when I look at my account, I have one machine with its offline license and I have the ignition key with the other offline license, making two offline licenses.

Can I 'unauthorize' the machine then 'authorize' another ignition key, which means I still have the two offline licenses, but instead of one of these being locked to a machine which 'could' experience, say a motherboard fail in the future, I would have two ignition keys which theoretically should be more reliable?

Anyone have two ignition keys (perhaps a props key and a codemeter key) working together?

Any thoughts from those who are NOT going the subscription route

[jam-s]

I think using two IKs does not work. What used to work was one IK and one Balance audio interface (which has an integrated IK). But authorizing the Balance has been removed from the site for a few years, now. There are some threads about this e.g.:

/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7514680
/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7514763

[bxbrkrz]

Future RT members "WTF ARE THESE?"

[Billy+]

Glad to see that people are taking things seriously.

I do wonder if RE updates are also going to cause us R11 holdouts issues as well....

Logically yes. R13 should be a unescapable and mandatory fun update

well lets hope that R13 actually irons out the bugs and is worth upgrading to

[joeyluck]

Logically yes. R13 should be a unescapable and mandatory fun update

well lets hope that R13 actually irons out the bugs and is worth upgrading to

What bugs?

[moneykube]

What bugs?

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[joeyluck]

What bugs?

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Still curious about what bugs Billy is talking about. No, they are not going to fix bugs in R11, those are already fixed in R12.

[bxbrkrz]

Logically yes. R13 should be a unescapable and mandatory fun update

well lets hope that R13 actually irons out the bugs and is worth upgrading to

That's why to me it's OK to wait for R13.
Begone FOMO mind tricks! I'll be patient.

[moneykube]

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Still curious about what bugs Billy is talking about. No, they are not going to fix bugs in R11, those are already fixed in R12.

yes... understood. Reason 11 worked fine for me, as does 10. Reason 12 seems ok (NOW), other then the graphics issue some are reporting. I thought the picture was accurate for many apps I use though>>> including the reason 12 roll out. I am running the current 12.6.1 version on my main computer, and running 10 on my portable laptop, for jamming with others away from my home. I live in the country and getting an internet connection in places is indeed difficult here in rural Canada> believe it or not. The authorization timeout in September does affect me somewhat, since my main computer is not a portable laptop. I hope they change their minds on that decision, after the outcry of the many pages here in this thread, on that new issue.
I have not had the time to fully test for bugs in Reason 12> to be honest.

[Aosta]

Wait! Santa Claus is dead?

No he’s fine.
It was all just make believe anyway.

I'm sure Adam will be pleased, think he is still waiting (any opportunity to post this banger)

Glad to see that people are taking things seriously.

Sorry, carry on

[Billy+]

well lets hope that R13 actually irons out the bugs and is worth upgrading to

What bugs?

are you saying that R12 has no bugs?

to quote Reasons Studios - they want to make Reason 12 "the best it can be"

well I'm still waiting......

[Loque]

What bugs?

are you saying that R12 has no bugs?

to quote Reasons Studios - they want to make Reason 12 "the best it can be"

well I'm still waiting......

The question is not answered. What bugs are you referring?

[EnochLight]

are you saying that R12 has no bugs?

Are you saying there is a bug that is stopping you from making music in Reason? Jesus Christ Billy - Reason is currently in a far better state than Ableton Live is currently- I just had Live randomly crash on me for no apparent reason.