Didn't RS say that they are not having difficulties with VST?
It's not as if RS all of a sudden became incompetent overnight
Didn't RS say that they are not having difficulties with VST?
Joey, you've spouted this garbage argument a number of times now and it really, really is garbage.
But VST was never on Reason's roadmap before. They were outspoken against it. It was certainly a hell has frozen over moment when we got it lol. You can't be behind on something while it isn't a part of the vision and goals for your product. It was a big shift and it was only a few years ago that Reason started supporting an external plugin format. I stand by my viewpoint on thisDaveyG wrote: ↑11 Nov 2022Joey, you've spouted this garbage argument a number of times now and it really, really is garbage.
You are using the fact that RS (then Props) were astonishingly slow to implement VST2 as a justification for them being equally as slow to implement VST3. It just highlights how slow RS are to respond to anything. When NI's Maschine beats you to something you know you really are behind the times. "Hey, but we've always been behind the times" is not a justification.
you can get new drumsticks for less then that
That's not the point. I have licenses for Reason, Nuendo and Logic. And I have several thousand euros more in software. Komplete Collectors Edition, Arturia, Roland Cloud, etc. But I paid for a Reason license and various upgrades which Reason Studios charges as a professional product. The world is not ending because Reason doesn't have VST3 and Apple Silicon support, but I've been a Reason user since January 2001, and since then I've been paying for licenses and upgrades, and I have the right to complain if I think they do something wrong, of the same way I say it when they do something right, something I've done for years.
I also want support for video (the MPE is more indifferent to me). But you also have the right to ask for those improvements, and the only way to get them is to tell the developers that you want them. And if a developer gives me software or charges me a few euros, then I say nothing. But a software company that charges €499 for a professional program and €199 for each update, has to be willing to put up with complaints when it doesn't do things right, and if not, don't charge €499 for a program and €199 for a upgrade, or don't raise the price of your product after a botched upgrade that's also outdated because it doesn't support the latest technologies.joeyluck wrote: ↑11 Nov 2022I feel like some people are talking about VST3 support here as if Reason Studios chimed in to say, "we're thinking about it". However we know that they are actively working on it and the roadmap says they hope to have it in our hands by the end of the year. We've known that since June.
I could go on about how much I want and need MPE support or video support. Neither of those are on the roadmap or have been mentioned as actively being developed. It's VST3. If you want VST3 in Reason, I would think it should be a time to celebrate because it's coming. We know they are working on it.
In terms of price, Ableton Live Suite is $749. Other things based on content, like Komplete is $599 for standard and $1199 for ultimate. And that's just content without a DAW. I would take Reason and the devices that come built-in over Komplete Standard any day.
I would say that the Reason DAW is the least obvious platform to do music to video (in an integrated and effective way). Besides that, seeing that the Fairlight DAW inside Davinci Resolve is very actively being developed, any audio-first DAW will have a hard time to stay competitive in this domain.
There is always a use case that validates some avenue of development. However, that doesn't always mean it is a viable option for a company to focus on such a use case. The point I was trying to make, is that most people who do video-related things, will use platforms that are more (or even specifically) tailored towards this kind of thing. Especially as something like Resolve is available for free, or even incredibly cheap for the pro-version. They implemented VST3 not too long ago, and although I didn't try it yet, chances are that RRP works in Fairlight now.joeyluck wrote: ↑12 Nov 2022I disagree about music for video not being a necessity. It doesn't have to be feature length films. More and more people are composing music for media. To think that most people nowadays are still only writing music to release singles and albums is a huge oversight for a popular reason why many musicians today are drawn to compose music.
That argument doesn't fly, as Reason obviously fills its own niche and does a whole bunch of things that other DAWs don't do (or do very poorly). In that regard, there actually are no other DAWs more advanced than Reason.
Yes, but no one would do serious Film scoring with GarageBand. If you want to add some fancy tunes - fine. But there‘s more to scoring than adding a video track. In this regard Logic is a major contender, especially with regards to sync between picture and audio. I currently have the demo of Studio One 6 on my machine. And it still is a p.i.t.a. (excuse my words) compared to other solutions. So I’m with crimsonwarlock: choose the right tool for the job done.
it's ok to sound like a broken record (me & vst midi) but at least i'm after a feature that really should have been there since we got vst support added.joeyluck wrote: ↑12 Nov 2022Yeah I get that. I'll just say this, and I know I'm probably sounding like a broken record, but composing to film/media is incredibly common and popularity is only rising and having video support is not a fancy extra feature, it's a feature needed by those who want to compose music for film. Musicians write music for picture.
Major film studios will more than likely be using Pro Tools, but that doesn't mean Logic shouldn't support video. Even GarageBand has video support. Ableton Live has video and that it is probably regarded in the same realm as Reason. People compose to video.
Correct, because about half the people who are even posting in this thread are likely to have abandoned it a long time ago for lacking it. They added it for a reason (unintended pun). Feeling charitable is not that reason (ugh...). If it were, people wouldn't still be asking for thisjoeyluck wrote: ↑10 Nov 2022In fairness, Reason only started hosting VST 5 years ago. Ableton has been hosting VST for 18 years. And as mentioned, for 11 of those years (after VST3 was introduced by Steinberg) Ableton Live didn't have VST3 support.
It's funny to think that we might not even be having this conversation if Reason never introduced VST support. And I'm guessing a large majority of users would bet their money on Reason never having VST support when asked prior to Reason 9.5.
ReWire is being dropped like a hot potato in every DAW that supports it.
I agree with everything you have said and it's sad but true - nothing new is worth buying and although it's where we are it doesn't mean we have to financially support them and the bulls**t they are selling.iTrensharo wrote: ↑12 Nov 2022ReWire is being dropped like a hot potato in every DAW that supports it.
Anyone who relies on a workflow like this should be looking for ways to jump ship, not dig into it - which will require them to stick with increasingly older versions of various software packages to maintain it.
Good Luck with that, especially if you're a macOS user.
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