Thoughts on Reason DAW standalone: new life?

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Oh well, I’ll speculate the ONE thing they are least likely to continue to support in the future is not the DAW or the RRP - it’s the roadmap! ;)
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I haven't been paying attention recently, but the main enhancements brought to us in R12 primarily benefitted the RRP, with very little improvement if any specific to the standalone. To me, this indicates where their priorities lie, even if they do throw us standalone users a bone now and then. The one major update that would specifically benefit the standalone is the most controversial one - VST3. We're nearing the middle of November, a year and four months since the R12 beta was prematurely let out of the bag, and still we've seen nothing but a roadmap that seems to wander aimlessly into the desert towards a mirage.
Strangely I see it more that rs still have main focus on the daw in r12. Workflow wise the new combi has drag and drop assignment which does not work in RRP. Hi res benefits both daw and RRP users too.

Then we have mimic which integrates perfectly in the reason daw. It works perfectly in RRP too but you try dragging some ableton live samples into it and you will find they are not compatible. I agree they have advertised RRP with other daws more and I think this has been solely to embed that revenue stream. otherwise it means they focussed on the RRP and managed to design things that accidently work better in the daw.

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09 Nov 2022

how does a video equate to new life for a piece of software? only improvements to the software can do that.

I guess it can be seen as an indication they haven’t abandoned standalone, but…are there people actually still worried about that? they’ve stated, and their current focus (VST3) makes it pretty obvious they haven’t.

they just need to get that behind themselves and focus on catching the hell up instead of fapping in the corner over another new device. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
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10 Nov 2022

EnochLight wrote:
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So, anyone else noticed that the last two promotional/tutorial videos promoted by Reason Studios featured Reason as a standalone DAW? No RRP in sight. ;) :clap:

In particular, “How to make REX Loops” on November 7, 2022 and now “From Raw Chord Progressions to Full Songs with Chord Sequencer” on November 8 both featured Reason DAW proper. I like this direction.
That makes me happy. I love the Reason DAW.

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EnochLight wrote:
08 Nov 2022
So, anyone else noticed that the last two promotional/tutorial videos promoted by Reason Studios featured Reason as a standalone DAW? No RRP in sight. ;) :clap:

In particular, “How to make REX Loops” on November 7, 2022 and now “From Raw Chord Progressions to Full Songs with Chord Sequencer” on November 8 both featured Reason DAW proper. I like this direction.
That's fine, but the extent to which it is behind means that most people are still going to be better off just racking it into another DAW. The best thing about Reason was always the players and synths. The Sequencer was never it. I don't think I'll ever have a reason to upgrade off of Reason 12.

On one hand, the synths aren't as killer as they used to be, so they can easily be replaced.

On the other hand, MIDI Processing FX are getting better and better, and it's only a matter of time before more and more DAWs start offering VST MIDI FX Support (like Logic does with AUs), which will render a lot of the Reason players obsolete.

So I expect it to be replaced by third part stuff more than I expect Reason Studios to offer a competitive sequencer or keep up with the market in terms of the Synth or MIDI Processor/Player market.

I do feel like the entire produce will end up backed between a "rock and a hard place."

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I do feel like the entire produce will end up backed between a "rock and a hard place."
Reason has always been in this situation but what makes it great is that they have always had their own way of thinking about what the future is about and although it's not entirely what you want it's always been useful to a different audience at the detriment to long term supporters who quite frankly have started moving into other daw's.

I'm hoping that the next major version brings the sequencer features into this century and starts supporting the standalone daw as well as the plugin version is supported in other daw's but until those who stair it's direction start realising that us long term supporters are sick of being left behind and have moved to different daws are the main marketing force they are continually going to repeat the mistakes of the past and Reason will become nothing but a subscription plugin.

And if that's their goal then shame on them.

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13 Nov 2022

R.I.P standalone. (Kidding!)

Nah, I hope it will get a worthy upgrade soon.
Players have somewhat been a substitute for lacking workflow in the sequencer. But it is time to take the sequencer into a higher level and bring elements of the players mindset into it so both can prosper. To get sequencer more flexible to work wiith in songwriting and live settings jamming.
Record multiple sequencer tracks at once. Live-looping and arrangement on the fly, which can be huge benefit both when coming up with new ideas as well as playing the sequencer iin a live session.
More intuitive and fun to use. As if sequencer is the Master player and brings together midi snd audio in sweet merging harmony. If this somewhat is in their plan longterm, I can understand that it is not done in a haste, and it will be worth waiting for.

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iTrensharo wrote:
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That's fine, but the extent to which it is behind means that most people are still going to be better off just racking it into another DAW. The best thing about Reason was always the players and synths. The Sequencer was never it.
Disagree. Both the rack paradigm and Reason’s sequencer (and the rack’s deep integration - Players or otherwise) are its USP. We can scream all day until we’re blue about Reason’s missing sequencer features, but I still find the environment more inspiring to work in compared to any other DAW out there.

Well, except Live. It comes close. :lol:
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13 Nov 2022

Billy+ wrote:
12 Nov 2022
iTrensharo wrote:
12 Nov 2022
I do feel like the entire produce will end up backed between a "rock and a hard place."
Reason has always been in this situation but what makes it great is that they have always had their own way of thinking about what the future is about and although it's not entirely what you want it's always been useful to a different audience at the detriment to long term supporters who quite frankly have started moving into other daw's.

I'm hoping that the next major version brings the sequencer features into this century and starts supporting the standalone daw as well as the plugin version is supported in other daw's but until those who stair it's direction start realising that us long term supporters are sick of being left behind and have moved to different daws are the main marketing force they are continually going to repeat the mistakes of the past and Reason will become nothing but a subscription plugin.

And if that's their goal then shame on them.
Perhaps. I think the pressure these days is much higher than a decade ago, due to how costs have been driven down.

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13 Nov 2022

EnochLight wrote:
13 Nov 2022
iTrensharo wrote:
12 Nov 2022
That's fine, but the extent to which it is behind means that most people are still going to be better off just racking it into another DAW. The best thing about Reason was always the players and synths. The Sequencer was never it.
Disagree. Both the rack paradigm and Reason’s sequencer (and the rack’s deep integration - Players or otherwise) are its USP. We can scream all day until we’re blue about Reason’s missing sequencer features, but I still find the environment more inspiring to work in compared to any other DAW out there.

Well, except Live. It comes close. :lol:
The sequencer is what it is in every other DAW. Increasingly the market is divorced from the expectation for software to emulate hardware (in terms of UX). That is a selling point, but it is prioritized by decreasing numbers of people.

A generational shift, somewhat.

Missing application features are kind of a big deal. Inspiration is fine but spending more time getting the same product out the door is a waste of multiple types of resources.

The whole point of software is to increase productivity and efficiency, not fail to do so and manufacture anecdotal justifications as to why its good enough not doing so.

There is a lot of stuff that is just faster and more prodictive/efficient to do in some other DAWs than Reason.

Ask any professional if they would cut 2 hours off every project I they could, and all of them will take that deal. Thats what it feels like going from Reason to Cubase.

Reason can evolve, or its going to be driven to critical endangerstatus, if not extinction. Competitors will happily fill the voids they leave to bolster their competing offerings...

And steal their users.

OFC. This is why RRP is a thing, but they'll have to start screwing people to sustain that (new devices require latest version of RRP, etc.). Otherwise, it will easy for rack users to simply stop upgrading and buy one device a year. Not as lucrative as they're probably hoping for.

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