Re: Latest Roadmap (June 3 2022)
Posted: 13 Jun 2022
To be honest there is not much one cannot do with reason. One can be as organic as they like. With all of the samplers included in the rack. Then there is friction it is incredibly expressive. Not to mention if one wants to truly be organic they can record audio tracks of their favorite instruments. I almost always record a bass guitar track. I play violin and guitar sometimes and sampling my marimba and Glock is something I do often. Though I do believe Reason's core developers are electronic music people. Seems like every other day there is a new youtube video on pumping side chain compression. Sometimes I wonder if these guys know you don't have to pump the compressor to make a good track. but hey, do what you like. I absolutely love reason because you can customize it to your needs. It is not always a just plug it in and it works program. But if one takes the time to set it up and save templates it is the best DAW. Mostly because with its plethora of devices Reason has character. Not sure what I am rambling about now. SO be well. Just FYI. I am hoping for a wave sequencing device. Kinda like the Korg Wavestation or WaveState. But another modeling synth could be cool. I would also like something like the DFAM. once more, be well.deigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022Unrelated to my previous post but i found it interesting that the opening paragraphs of the roadmap, where they're pledging their commitment to reason, were genre specific:
"We are hard at work in making the Reason Rack the one stop shop for creative electronic music making, which means we continue to add new devices that ensure Reason music makers can be in the absolute forefront."
Emphasis mine.
I found this interesting as personally I feel, with synthesis so well and truly covered in the reason sound library, that the last remaining hole is organic sounds. If reason is a rack for electronic music specifically then maybe that hole is by design, and won't be addressed.
Maybe its a surprise to noone that reason leans this way given it's history and plethora of synthesisers, or maybe electronic music in this context just means music made electronically, rather than a reference to the genre.
Just a thought
Reason is 100% still beta testing and fixing bugs. AFAIK, the only thing I can really say is that I’m using 12.2.7 right now, so… they’re still constantly working on improving Reason.
I take it you're in the beta then. That's good to hear. I figured they would, I imagine bug squashing is something that never truly stops in the software business. I just worried that if their focus had shifted to vst3/m1 and away from bugs as the roadmap suggests then i might be in for the long haul with these performance issues. Especially now that it seems I'm the minority.
If you are experiencing issues that you think others aren't, definitely join the beta! I think everybody should join itdeigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022I take it you're in the beta then. That's good to hear. I figured they would, I imagine bug squashing is something that never truly stops in the software business. I just worried that if their focus had shifted to vst3/m1 and away from bugs as the roadmap suggests then i might be in for the long haul with these performance issues. Especially now that it seems I'm the minority.
Yes, couldn't agree more. The flexibility of reason is why I continue to love it even with a rack full of synths I hardly ever use.mimidancer wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022
To be honest there is not much one cannot do with reason. One can be as organic as they like. With all of the samplers included in the rack. Then there is friction it is incredibly expressive. Not to mention if one wants to truly be organic they can record audio tracks of their favorite instruments. I almost always record a bass guitar track. I play violin and guitar sometimes and sampling my marimba and Glock is something I do often. Though I do believe Reason's core developers are electronic music people. Seems like every other day there is a new youtube video on pumping side chain compression. Sometimes I wonder if these guys know you don't have to pump the compressor to make a good track. but hey, do what you like. I absolutely love reason because you can customize it to your needs. It is not always a just plug it in and it works program. But if one takes the time to set it up and save templates it is the best DAW. Mostly because with its plethora of devices Reason has character. Not sure what I am rambling about now. SO be well. Just FYI. I am hoping for a wave sequencing device. Kinda like the Korg Wavestation or WaveState. But another modeling synth could be cool. I would also like something like the DFAM. once more, be well.
Yes, I’ve been beta testing for a while now. I am not sure what all can and can’t be said at this point, so I will only confirm that the beta is ongoing.deigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022I take it you're in the beta then. That's good to hear. I figured they would, I imagine bug squashing is something that never truly stops in the software business. I just worried that if their focus had shifted to vst3/m1 and away from bugs as the roadmap suggests then i might be in for the long haul with these performance issues. Especially now that it seems I'm the minority.
Agreed it probably just means music made electronically, but I feel you on the lack of organic instruments. VSTs have solved this for me however so I can use Kontakt stuff...etc... Overall though, I think synths are just a naturally more exciting thing to marketdeigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022Unrelated to my previous post but i found it interesting that the opening paragraphs of the roadmap, where they're pledging their commitment to reason, were genre specific:
"We are hard at work in making the Reason Rack the one stop shop for creative electronic music making, which means we continue to add new devices that ensure Reason music makers can be in the absolute forefront."
Emphasis mine.
I found this interesting as personally I feel, with synthesis so well and truly covered in the reason sound library, that the last remaining hole is organic sounds. If reason is a rack for electronic music specifically then maybe that hole is by design, and won't be addressed.
Maybe its a surprise to noone that reason leans this way given it's history and plethora of synthesisers, or maybe electronic music in this context just means music made electronically, rather than a reference to the genre.
Just a thought
I am so much with you on this one. I am fully into electronic music in what I make and listen to but adding organic instruments when they are so realistic like Friktion is a pure joy.deigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022The reason I found that line notable is just that my personal preference for future devices would be more organic devises, like a brass version of friction for example, rather than another synth. I understated that my needs don't necessarily reflect the majorities, I'm just sharing thoughts.
That's pretty annoying - sorry about that. What's strange is I tried one of the early builds of R12 after launch, used it mostly as a DAW rather than RRP plugin and absolutely hated it - a bug-strewn mess - and walked away. I've just recently decided to take the plunge again with the latest build and.... it's pretty close to perfect. Super stable, huge fun, and basically back to the old Reason I remember from v1 days onwards.deigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022Yeah I get that. That was me throughout the previous versions of 12. There are so many variables, the complexity must be insane. It's certainly beyond me how they pull off what is essentially audio software magic. So I don't like to complain. Not withstanding the blue screen today, I spent the whole weekend making beats and having a great time. I remain a big fan.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022
Damn man that really sucks. I don't say this in a 'well I don't have any problems' kinda way but this has been the most stable it's been for me in ages. Which I think highlights the disparity in performance between systems. I can only imagine how hard it is to code for all possible situations and configurations. Hope they find an answer for you soon!
I'm just reacting to that line about having fixed all the bugs already is all. Probably shouldn't have said anything and just started a ticket.
Same here. This version of 12 is the most stable version I've used since release date. Its actually running as smooth as it ever has for me. I'm on windows 10 pro for what's its worth and using a Ryzen 5 processor. I hope you can get this sorted as im sure that's super frustrating. Definitely shoot them a ticket so they know some people are still having issues.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022Damn man that really sucks. I don't say this in a 'well I don't have any problems' kinda way but this has been the most stable it's been for me in ages. Which I think highlights the disparity in performance between systems. I can only imagine how hard it is to code for all possible situations and configurations. Hope they find an answer for you soon!deigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022Reason Studios say: "Having fixed the issues in Reason 12..."
This part bothers me.
I've been with reason 12 since launch and was one of the lucky ones I guess because I didn't really see any performance issues. The hi-res graphics were inconsistent but that didn't concern me, because I don't care much if some knobs are blurry, especially when I know they're already working on it.
Performance wise however, everything was fine.
That is until 12.2.6.
Now projects randomly spike on the DSP meter and start to choke/crack/pop.
If I pause it and give it a minute it seems to fix itself, but my PC is pretty high end and this never happened before.
What's worse, is the other day I launched reason as I always do and it seemed to be launching for the first time. It rescanned VST's, reset the theme and default project, and the rest of the settings. I had to go in and reset all my preferences.
Strange but ok.
Worse still though, today on the mixer page, I dragged one channel over to be next to another one, and this resulted in a blue screen of death. Lost all of my work from the last half-hour. No VST's in the project.
I've never had issue with reason before, even with version 12, but 12.2.6 is the buggiest version yet for me.
I wouldn't complain if I knew they were working on it, but now they state that they're done fixing bugs.
Guess it's time to submit a ticket.
interesting ... thanks for the link !
I think many people overlook the real value of combinator 2: all the great combinator 2 patches that are being built by the community and given for free. I made a few myself, but picked up several beauties from others as well.
they all certainly look tasty... I have be checking out all of them as they come out and many I have seen have me highly interested... they look and sound great... thank for that response. edging closer to GAScrimsonwarlock wrote: ↑18 Jun 2022I think many people overlook the real value of combinator 2: all the great combinator 2 patches that are being built by the community and given for free. I made a few myself, but picked up several beauties from others as well.
Will it be free for Reason 12 (not + as that's a given) owners though, that is the question.
Yes. They did promise but never stated anything specific. Looks like R13 it is.