Re: Latest Roadmap (June 3 2022)
Posted: 09 Jun 2022
Latency with my Motu and Reason on the M1 is very strange....turn2on wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022For me, most important part of M1 support, is optimisation of audio interface work with Reason.
Look at Presonus Quantum 2626. Own Thunderbolt driver, compitable with M1 and intel-macs.
Latency about 0.7ms on intel-mac
Latency about 4.5ms on M1 under Rosetta
Still waiting in future native support of M1 in Reason to get better results for audio interface.
On the other hand, the company has a greater responsibility to maintain added value so people don't simply export the stems of their creations, cancel the subscription and move elsewhere. I think people overestimate how hard it is to use another DAW. RS just happens to do this with devices and patches more than core upgrades as of now.Eprom wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022I personally hate subscriptions and will never fall for it, but..
For a company it's a sure way to keep people giving them money for using it EVEN if they don't add new features or fix bugs right away.
Nobody will buy a new version of your software if that version isn't better than the last one they bought, but with a subscription you have them by the b*lls, because you're holding their musical creations hostage. If you don't pay your annual fee, you can't finish/edit your songs (unless you only use instruments from a previous version you owned).
And yet you see lots of people leaving just for the thought of it happening.Eprom wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022I personally hate subscriptions and will never fall for it, but..
For a company it's a sure way to keep people giving them money for using it EVEN if they don't add new features or fix bugs right away.
Nobody will buy a new version of your software if that version isn't better than the last one they bought, but with a subscription you have them by the b*lls, because you're holding their musical creations hostage. If you don't pay your annual fee, you can't finish/edit your songs (unless you only use instruments from a previous version you owned).
Appreciate your engineering and software biz perspectives. I really wish RS would make a sublime offer to a few more of the software-savvy regular users of this forum here. They can use it full stack from platform to web shop, as all DAW companies can, not haggling RS more just wishing : ) bc it makes business sense too.avasopht wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022
And then the silly scaremongering that suggests software engineers - who (I can guarantee) only got into this industry because they love developing software and audio effects - are really going to twiddle their thumbs and suddenly refuse to fix stuff and develop features because they have subscriptions.
It's not the dev's themselves, it's the company that hires them or simple NOT hires themavasopht wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022And then the silly scaremongering that suggests software engineers - who (I can guarantee) only got into this industry because they love developing software and audio effects - are really going to twiddle their thumbs and suddenly refuse to fix stuff and develop features because they have subscriptions.
Nah. That's ridiculous.Eprom wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022It's not the dev's themselves, it's the company that hires them or simple NOT hires them
When people keep paying for your software anyway (simply because they have to, to keep access to their songs) , why would you as a company throw money towards employees?
You only need ONE social media intern to keep posting vague roadmaps.
Remember, this is not Propellerheads anymore
I enjoyed your well-thought-out response and I agree with most of what you said. The only exception I see is for those with significant investments in REs. For example, I have ~$2500 in RE purchases. The REs cannot be resold or transferred (as far as I know). Even though it was my decision to purchase all those REs knowing I was tied to the main software forever, it's still somewhat of a hostage situation just from the fact that I cannot resell my RE purchases.
But people still leave Reason even when they've got lots of Rack Extensions.WaxTrax wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022I enjoyed your well-thought-out response and I agree with most of what you said. The only exception I see is for those with significant investments in REs. For example, I have ~$2500 in RE purchases. The REs cannot be resold or transferred (as far as I know). Even though it was my decision to purchase all those REs knowing I was tied to the main software forever, it's still somewhat of a hostage situation just from the fact that I cannot resell my RE purchases.
Valid point, but there is a kind of way out with buying R11 or 12. Barring massive processor changes like Mac M1, You wouldn’t need another Reason version for the foreseeable future if all you wanted to do is use RE you purchased elsewhere.WaxTrax wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022I enjoyed your well-thought-out response and I agree with most of what you said. The only exception I see is for those with significant investments in REs. For example, I have ~$2500 in RE purchases. The REs cannot be resold or transferred (as far as I know). Even though it was my decision to purchase all those REs knowing I was tied to the main software forever, it's still somewhat of a hostage situation just from the fact that I cannot resell my RE purchases.
avasopht wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022WaxTrax wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022
"And even then the argument is not valid because they can always continue using their existing version of Reason. Nothing is forcing you to use the latest version of Reason+. Your REs work perfectly fine on Reason 12, and I'm guessing Reason 11 and Reason 10 as well. How can they hold you hostage if you can still just use your existing permanent license(s)? And no, they absolutely cannot remove them as options. That's 100% impossible to happen."
Unless of course, they go bankrupt, or just decide to shut down their authentication servers, which would leave the majority of users unable to login and thus you have a dead piece of software called Reason. I don't know, but lately I've been getting Reason Studios emails flogging BV-X sound packs and I'm not even on Reason+ anymore.
Then come the 40% off Reason+ subscription emails...
When I click to see what's up, it invariably brings up a tracker warning in my browser.
In fact this happens with any email I get from RS. I've sent them an email about it, and have gotten no response...
Can anyone confirm if they are indeed tracking people like this?
The question was about holding people to ransom, not whether the Reason Studios servers could ever go down.StephenHutchinson wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022
Unless of course, they go bankrupt, or just decide to shut down their authentication servers, which would leave the majority of users unable to login and thus you have a dead piece of software called Reason.
I'm not sure if you know how email marketing has been done for the last 15 years. Yes. Links are tracked.StephenHutchinson wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022When I click to see what's up, it invariably brings up a tracker warning in my browser.
Reason Studios Tracker.jpg
In fact this happens with any email I get from RS. I've sent them an email about it, and have gotten no response...
Can anyone confirm if they are indeed tracking people like this?
Ah thanks for the heads-up. No I'm not very familiar with present day email marketing and I guess I just wondered how that web site they use for marketing emails ended up on uBlock Origin's list of "You probably shouldn't click this."avasopht wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022I'm not sure if you know how email marketing has been done for the last 15 years. Yes. Links are tracked.
This allows them to make informed decisions about sending emails and stuff. Sure, they could just count website hits. But this is just how they evaluate the strength of a marketing campaign or the effectiveness of a particular email.
It also allows them to exclude you from emails if you've already clicked a particular link.
Overall, it basically allows them to send us less email, because they can exclude you from communications they know you've either read or responded to by clicking the link.
You can opt out of receiving emails from Reason Studios.
The second question is easy to answer. Their authentication server has been down several times, usually not for very long but long enough for people to post about it on here. And ISPs have failures that can take days to fix. One day we won't be able to get food out of our fridge or get into our car if the Internet is down. That's progress for ya .
They’re actively working on Offline Mode for Reason, in places where there might not be an internet connection.DaveyG wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022The second question is easy to answer. Their authentication server has been down several times, usually not for very long but long enough for people to post about it on here. And ISPs have failures that can take days to fix. One day we won't be able to get food out of our fridge or get into our car if the Internet is down. That's progress for ya .
The M2 will have the same architecture yes, but.... it is already out the fact that it will also boost Ventura over Monterey Os...Steedus wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022
Nothing to be scared about, I was trying to get in front of what is seemed some people we getting worried about. The release of M2 doesn't mean anything for M1 compatibility. If it's M1 compatible, it's M2 (in the most basic sense - they'll always be outliers)
As for Garageband, yes you can use plugins, however they need to be Audio Units (AU) - Apple's plugin format. VST files will not work with Garageband (or Logic for that matter)
https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/g ... 6a4e4d/mac
Damn man that really sucks. I don't say this in a 'well I don't have any problems' kinda way but this has been the most stable it's been for me in ages. Which I think highlights the disparity in performance between systems. I can only imagine how hard it is to code for all possible situations and configurations. Hope they find an answer for you soon!deigm wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022Reason Studios say: "Having fixed the issues in Reason 12..."
This part bothers me.
I've been with reason 12 since launch and was one of the lucky ones I guess because I didn't really see any performance issues. The hi-res graphics were inconsistent but that didn't concern me, because I don't care much if some knobs are blurry, especially when I know they're already working on it.
Performance wise however, everything was fine.
That is until 12.2.6.
Now projects randomly spike on the DSP meter and start to choke/crack/pop.
If I pause it and give it a minute it seems to fix itself, but my PC is pretty high end and this never happened before.
What's worse, is the other day I launched reason as I always do and it seemed to be launching for the first time. It rescanned VST's, reset the theme and default project, and the rest of the settings. I had to go in and reset all my preferences.
Strange but ok.
Worse still though, today on the mixer page, I dragged one channel over to be next to another one, and this resulted in a blue screen of death. Lost all of my work from the last half-hour. No VST's in the project.
I've never had issue with reason before, even with version 12, but 12.2.6 is the buggiest version yet for me.
I wouldn't complain if I knew they were working on it, but now they state that they're done fixing bugs.
Guess it's time to submit a ticket.
Yeah I get that. That was me throughout the previous versions of 12. There are so many variables, the complexity must be insane. It's certainly beyond me how they pull off what is essentially audio software magic. So I don't like to complain. Not withstanding the blue screen today, I spent the whole weekend making beats and having a great time. I remain a big fan.chimp_spanner wrote: ↑13 Jun 2022
Damn man that really sucks. I don't say this in a 'well I don't have any problems' kinda way but this has been the most stable it's been for me in ages. Which I think highlights the disparity in performance between systems. I can only imagine how hard it is to code for all possible situations and configurations. Hope they find an answer for you soon!