Reason Studios shares their roadmap

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Post 09 Sep 2021

MrFigg wrote:
09 Sep 2021
And we’re 100% wishlist again. Sigh!!
We're stepping up to the digital microphone! :thumbup:

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Post 09 Sep 2021

Jagwah wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Seriously you guys imagine a world where we didn't have to squabble over wanted Reason features. The momentum shown in the new roadmap is extremely promising.
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09 Sep 2021
See joey just video syncing didn't even last 24 hours before extras got requested :thumbs_up:
We've been talking about video support for many years, I even had Ryan Harlin at one point admit he would like video support in Reason. Also come across many a good dude who agreed basic video editing support in Reason would be wild and really cool.

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09 Sep 2021
And we’re 100% wishlist again. Sigh!!
Turn that frown upside down and take that sigh and turn it into a song!
:lol: that wasn't my point and besides RS said they wanted feedback & ideas so I say all are welcome I just knew video syncing would definitely be followed by other video associated feature requests and I would definitely prefer that RS concentrated on music features before over reaching on video ;)
VST 2.4 MIDI It's definitely on the list of todos
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Post 09 Sep 2021

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Post 09 Sep 2021

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1) MIDI loop recording to new lanes, or better yet with MIDI comping.
2) Store recorded audio outside the project file. I use a lot of guitar and each song is easily several gigabytes. Storing multiple versions uses up too much disk space.
1) Yeah, that would really be awesome - hoping this is something they add in 2022.
2) Man... we've been requesting this - at least as an option - for many, many years. Something tells me it will never happen, though.
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Post 09 Sep 2021

PeterP wrote:
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> New devices – We're currently in the research phase of what our next device will be. We have many cool concepts, but please send us your feedback on what you'd like to see (and hear)!

I want an updated set of basic effects. The current eqs and compressors are all old and of the "use your ears not your eyes" style. I want something more like FabFilter Pro series with much better UI.


> We don’t see Reason as either a plug-in or a DAW – Reason is both!

There are two blockers for me before I can return to using it as a DAW:

1) MIDI loop recording to new lanes, or better yet with MIDI comping.
2) Store recorded audio outside the project file. I use a lot of guitar and each song is easily several gigabytes. Storing multiple versions uses up too much disk space.
Is it even possible to get a much better UI than FabFilter?!

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Post 09 Sep 2021

I'd have to echo what has already been said, it does seem like it's a distraction from how bad this release really is, incomplete and rushed. Don't get me wrong the features added have great potential but they're are all still pretty raw, unfinished and lacking that extra touch that has made releases worthy of praise. I wouldn't exactly call the reworked browser fast, faster than it was yes but it still feels slightly sluggish at times. **A fundamental feature that made browsing easy (ie CTRL + LEFT/RIGHT to go back and forward) This only works when it wants to.

It is great that things are being laid out and transparent, I do hope that continues and more regularly. however it changes nothing of the many issues in R12.

It was a funny read tbh. From the outset "Opening Reason should never feel like a chore" well it does actually, takes far too long to load and if you close it, it takes even longer to open back up because you have to wait for all the background processes to cease.

The problem here is far to many people are accepting the way things are, in a release.
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Post 09 Sep 2021

AttenuationHz wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Is it even possible to get a much better UI than FabFilter?!
FabFilter's UI is probably some of the nicest in the industry - absolutely love them! They age really well.
AttenuationHz wrote:
09 Sep 2021
I wouldn't exactly call the reworked browser fast, faster than it was yes but it still feels slightly sluggish at times and missing a fundamental feature that made browsing easy (ie CTRL + LEFT/RIGHT to go back and forward)
The browser in 12 is literally instant - you don't have to search, because all results just instantly appear as you type. All versions of the browser before didn't have this recursive feature, and it was horrible and archaic. I do agree there's still a long ways to go, though.
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09 Sep 2021
The problem here is far to many people are accepting the way things are, in a release.
Believe me when I say that I am *NOT* accepting of the way things are this release. I feel horribly let down that the main DAW/sequencer got zero features at launch, I thought the hi-res rollout was (is) clunky and the first iteration was almost embarrassing as it took hi-res assets minutes to load in some instances. For paying 12+ subscribers, that's unacceptable. I think Mimic is neat, but feel like the absolute lack of presets was a blunder (and before someone says "it's a creative sampler blah blah blah", well so is Grain yet it came with a fantastic assortment of presets).

The one shining feature (for me at least) is Combinator 2. I feel like that is a solid improvement, and knowing it's only going to get better - as it was allegedly designed to be updated easily - makes me much less apprehensive. I'm truly looking forward to what talented sound designers come up with in the near future. :thumbup: And I do think the new hi-res graphics are stunning - it makes me want to work in Reason again, especially at higher zoom levels when I need to focus on a specific device. I do wish it worked better in standalone DAW though, as zooming the whole app is a pain in the ass IMHO.

But hey, we're on our way there, right? ;)
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Post 09 Sep 2021

AttenuationHz wrote:
09 Sep 2021
The problem here is far to many people are accepting the way things are, in a release.
I'm not accepting it.... I bought R4, upgraded to R5 on day of launch, then R6 I did the same, then R7, R8, R9, R10, R11. And then... R12 launches. I look... I ponder... I conclude that R12 is simply a service-patch and I don't need or want it. I'm sticking with R11.

Lo-res doesn't bother me. I have some great samplers already. Combinator 2 panel designing just feels pointless to me -- Combinator 1 does everything I need for now. Yes - they are nice additions, but nothing enhances my music making.

As for sharing a roadmap - kind of feel like I've heard this before. When R+ was launched the CEO and crew went on YouTube and said they'd "engage" more with the community. It didn't really happen. Let's hope they mean it this time.
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Post 09 Sep 2021

Jagwah wrote:
09 Sep 2021
QVprod wrote:
08 Sep 2021
No one’s gonna be looking for video editing out of Reason. Simple playback is more than enough.
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Nothing wrong with a few basic features, like clip slicing, reversing and stretching. Just because you have no interest does not mean nobody else does.
Basic slicing maybe, but, would you really want to use Reason for actual editing over a dedicated video editor? I mean Davinci Resolve is capable of mixing music in, but I'll probably never actually do it since a DAW inherently provides a better workflow for audio than a video editor ever will. I believe the inverse is also true. Most DAWs will only allow a basic trim at most with I think Cubase being the only exception likely because the process are different beasts.

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Takes ~5 seconds to load favorites list's. With roughly 60 samples in there that is a substantial amount of time compared to the old browser, which was instant. While yes recursive search is nice it doesn't help my workflow because I do not use drag and drop. Would be nice if you didn't have to retype the search though when you hit the wrong folder! All little things as a whole make a huge difference.

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Takes ~5 seconds to load favorites list's. With roughly 60 samples in there that is a substantial amount of time compared to the old browser, which was instant. ...
Weird, I have more than 60 samples in some Favorites - I'll have to test how long it takes on my machine. Not at the studio right now so will have to get back to you.
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Post 09 Sep 2021

deigm wrote:
09 Sep 2021
MrFigg wrote:
09 Sep 2021
And we’re 100% wishlist again. Sigh!!
We're stepping up to the digital microphone! :thumbup:
In response to the "digital microphone" and request for community feedback, why don’t you guys at RS pick a selection of the (many) requested features which appear all over this forum, fb and insta and set up a voting page on your website. Inviting owners/subscribers to rate them based on what they'd like to see implemented first. Then publicly add the highest rated features to your roadmap and implement accordingly. This would (hopefully) reduce the critisism/ speculation/ bitterness/ toxicity and restore the trust.
Initially this list could consist of the low hanging fruit/easiest to implement features but could grow with time. (Refreshed periodically)

NB to avoid a shitstorm i would suggest you refrain from implementing features in the RRP before they can be done in Standalone - e.g. dragging an audio clip from the host sequencer into a device with sample loading capability

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Post 09 Sep 2021

EnochLight wrote:
09 Sep 2021
AttenuationHz wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Takes ~5 seconds to load favorites list's. With roughly 60 samples in there that is a substantial amount of time compared to the old browser, which was instant. ...
Weird, I have more than 60 samples in some Favorites - I'll have to test how long it takes on my machine. Not at the studio right now so will have to get back to you.
Every time reason closes it has to rescan, though once it scans once in the session there's no delay when you open that list again. If you really want to test it try a folder with 900+ wav files. Reason 11 is much faster in that respect.

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Post 09 Sep 2021

Eprom wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Maybe it's me, but you could also read that statement as "Reason 12 wasn't ready yet, but we released it anyway and now you have to wait for months untill we are finished" 😬
Totally agree. I have paid for a beta. Rush released. Unfinished until January 2022. Speaks volumes that, in less than a week after the official release, the CEO has to step in with this blog. Yikes, sales must be bad. :(

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Post 09 Sep 2021

I appreciate this new approach. Good to have an idea of where things are going and what is being worked on currently.

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Post 09 Sep 2021

QVprod wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Basic slicing maybe, but, would you really want to use Reason for actual editing over a dedicated video editor? I mean Davinci Resolve is capable of mixing music in, but I'll probably never actually do it since a DAW inherently provides a better workflow for audio than a video editor ever will. I believe the inverse is also true. Most DAWs will only allow a basic trim at most with I think Cubase being the only exception likely because the process are different beasts.
So it would either be a floating window and nothing else which is perfect for scoring, or it would be that plus a clip / clips in the sequencer. If those clips could just be sliced and reversed and stretched it would open up a world of cool editing. Couple it with the transient audio slicing we already have there would be easy work arounds to slice video at these points. I have a big interest in working with graphics with my own music and to do it in house is similar to people wanting to work in Reason compared to using the RRP, it's just better in multiple ways to stay in this program.

Other features arent necessary, basic things like fade to black or some video effect, just to be able to slice and dice video in here would be amazing. Like I said I've met many others who agree over the years but I'm becoming more aware that it's going to be an extremely hard sell to put out there especially with most of you guys being against it.

I can only hope momentum is really going to pick up like the road map suggests but for the long term, and do my best to convince RS of its worthiness.

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Post 09 Sep 2021

Shadoww wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Eprom wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Maybe it's me, but you could also read that statement as "Reason 12 wasn't ready yet, but we released it anyway and now you have to wait for months untill we are finished" 😬
Totally agree. I have paid for a beta. Rush released. Unfinished until January 2022. Speaks volumes that, in less than a week after the official release, the CEO has to step in with this blog. Yikes, sales must be bad. :(
It is stable, that's the main thing. I certainly wasn't expecting an update 1st of September. I had expectations for the end of the month. Considering there was a number of months were everything stopped, it is and would have been an acceptable delay. If there was transparency in that regards there would be very little negative feedback, I feel.

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Faastwalker wrote:
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I appreciate this new approach. Good to have an idea of where things are going and what is being worked on currently.
Yes we can chill tf out knowing they do actually care about such things as Reason stand alone and sequencer improvements instead of waiting a few years every time just to have our doubts reinforced. It's a far better approach and puts everyone at ease. Also it appears they have great momentum at the moment and if they can just keep that up soon we won't be wanting for features, just excited about their innovating directions, that would be wonderful and this forum would become a much more peaceful and fun place. The road map blog was a great and motivating read. Yay for the new CEO.

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Post 10 Sep 2021

But the roadmap is just a roadmap for the completion of R12 really. Albeit with a vague bit about wanting suggestions from users with ‘digital microphones’. If they were serious about suggestions they would put a poll on their official website. I’m sure I’ve contributed suggestion to several in the past anyways. To me this roadmap should have come BEFORE the official release of r12. I take no comfort in the CEOs blog as it feels like damage control. Maybe I’d be more chill if there is a roadmap in February 2022 saying ‘phew, now that R12 is finally retail ready, here is the roadmap for 2022-23. We’ve identified innovative features we’d like to see in Reason BUT this time we want to work with you - so here’s a list! Use this poll to let us know which ones excite you all the most. And we’ll get them to you in that order! After all, Reason - Sounds Like You’.

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Post 10 Sep 2021

AttenuationHz wrote:
09 Sep 2021
PeterP wrote:
09 Sep 2021
> New devices – We're currently in the research phase of what our next device will be. We have many cool concepts, but please send us your feedback on what you'd like to see (and hear)!

I want an updated set of basic effects. The current eqs and compressors are all old and of the "use your ears not your eyes" style. I want something more like FabFilter Pro series with much better UI.
Is it even possible to get a much better UI than FabFilter?!
Sorry, that was just my bad English :)

I see the FabFilter UI's as the pinnacle of current VST UI's and I would love to see Reason have a new EQ, Compressor, Gate and Limiter with a similar UI. They don't even have to change the DSP beneath if they don't want to, I'm happy with the sound of we have, especially the SSL-like suite. Although an update to the MClass series wouldn't hurt.

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Post 10 Sep 2021

I just want the freaking note names in the midi notes on the piano roll

If you want to be super cool, you could put the chord name above chords in the piano roll. That would be super helpful from a song writing perspective and I don't think anyone has done it yet (maybe studio one with the chord track).

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flexluthor wrote:
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I just want the freaking note names in the midi notes on the piano roll

If you want to be super cool, you could put the chord name above chords in the piano roll. That would be super helpful from a song writing perspective and I don't think anyone has done it yet (maybe studio one with the chord track).
Just out of interest why do you want note names of the piano roll?

On the midi notes I guess might be handy as it saves looking at the piano roll, I think it would be nice to have the scale degree on the scale and chords keys and i very often include data like this in the labels data and or lane.
VST 2.4 MIDI It's definitely on the list of todos
What MIDI tools are you itching to use

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Post 10 Sep 2021

From the blog:
ReasonStudios wrote: In Reason 12 we updated the graphics and improved the browser. But I want to take a moment to highlight the engineering effort behind it. Reason is now over 20 years old, and the graphics engine used to be one of the oldest parts of the code. For years we’ve put off changing the graphics engine because we knew what a massive undertaking it was. But in 2019 we decided that enough was enough.

Yep, you read that right. The work to deliver those beautiful hi-res graphics, spinning fans and wear and tear on Subtractor started in 2019. Some of our best engineers spent almost one and a half years performing the brain transplant that updating the graphics engine was. They meticulously moved Reason over, bit by bit, testing on more and more hardware configurations until we in early 2021 opened for a broader public beta test.

Not only did they make Reason work great at any zoom level, but they also switched out all graphics processing to use the dedicated graphics card that all modern computers have.

To put it in perspective, we estimate this investment was on par with building the whole RE-technology. There’s still room for improvement in how Reason handles application zooming, but it’s a huge leap for us to have this out – Reason is more future-proof than ever and we have a great platform to build all those features upon.
Graphics

RE developers have been required to design their products in high resolution for years. Products that were then sold to customers in good faith, even though the high resolution graphics included in said purchases were never made available to those that had paid for them; for years. I appreciate the engineering effort involved, but if your best and brightest engineers spent a couple of years grinding at figuring out how to provide support for a graphics resolution requirement that your company has imposed on third-party developers -- from the beginning -- in regard to a proprietary technology (RE) that your company invented, I personally believe that the engineering effort could have been spent in a better way.

If you have been requiring enhanced graphics from RE developers since its inception, please explain why you make a point to say the following:
ReasonStudios wrote:For years we’ve put off changing the graphics engine because we knew what a massive undertaking it was.
Pixels do not make music.
Pictures are not songs.
High graphical overhead is not a composer.


I would opine that using vector graphics that are colorful instead of lifeless and gray would be a better approach.
It could be engineered once, requiring only minor changes if any, and provide future-proofing regardless of native resolution changes among future devices.
It would favor performant audio over graphics rendering and leave GPU acceleration for increasing performance beyond the standard user experience, where possible.
It would also free engineers to focus on improving the core of the app that is in dire need of help.

The bottom line here is that this is an audio program and it has had performance issues and stagnation issues that have not been adequately addressed for a very long time. During a crucial period where dedicated customers have demanded serious improvements in the areas affected by issues that have been openly and commonly complained about, the priority was chosen to deliver an upgrade to looks instead of performance and a more modern feature set. This should cause, and has caused, concern among those dedicated customers.

Many who have used Reason for years do not run the app on modern, GPU accelerated computers as you describe in your blog post. Reason traditionally has been a lightweight music program that can run on minimal hardware. Now the emphasis is on leveraging GPU acceleration as a necessity to run the app normally, let alone enhancing performance to any degree. This, in my mind, is an entire expedition's worth of steps in the wrong direction.

Commitment to photorealistic skeuomorphism will remain a pain point in the development lifecycle moving forward as long as it is prioritized.
Retaining this priority has and will necessarily demote the focus on improving the creation of music and sound(s) to an increasingly secondary position.


It's your baby, do what you will with it. But be warned: this single emphasis on what you can see, rather than what you can hear or how you can do what you can do, could very easily undo all those efforts of engineering.
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Post 10 Sep 2021

How about a new player device to manage midi i/o? To do things like split midi channel data over 16 sets of cv/note/gate ports, this simple device could be the answer for the lack of multi-channel midi support. A feature often asked for as part of the sequencer. A feature already available in other DAWs. Something that could be developed by a RE dev. If anyone knows of a player or other rack extension that can do midi channel splitting, please let me know, thanks.

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Post 10 Sep 2021

MrFigg wrote:
09 Sep 2021
Wishlist:
Fix the bugs.
The End
Thankyou.
^This!
I just had another "Hardware Exception" crash. Seems to be a waves plugin this time. Annoying AF. All the drivers have been updated.
I might try another re-install :twisted:
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