Re: Reason 12 is coming!
Posted: 21 Jul 2021
hope Reason studio dedicate all the effort to the Rack plugin, doing only instruments and effects, no more DAW
Same here a song that takes 7 second to load in Reason 11 is taking 30+ sec to load in R21 and when opening Reason 12 I sometimes get message from Clean my mac that Reason is not responding and fi I want to close itarnigretar wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021Reason 12 is coming... yes, that's for sure. And here if you , like me, decided to jump on the wagon 3$ Reason+ for 3 months. Been user since v1. ReBirth before that. And I have been beta testing Reason versions since beginning. Love this software. But... Reason 12 is making me doubt the software for the first time. Makes me very sad. I have few computers I use and two of them are very good: 1 Macbook pro 2019 with great build. And another PC machine with Windows 10 and the specs are great. However... On both machines I have had troubles loading up projects in Reason 12. The program either just freezes or when it opens - I can just add limited devices before it get's freezing again. Sure, I could send this to the props and complain. But I am not sure what their answers will be. I am simply using project with few Reason instruments and the mixer + effects. Nothing big. On Reason 11 suite (my last bought version) this was nothing for my machines. And should not be a problem for any computer - these are minimum devices, but yet Reason freezes or is loading forever. I have re-installed and all that jazz. Still this problem is ongoing. I have Ableton Live 10 on both these machines (my macbook pro and PC running Windows 10) and I can do whatever I want and the project can be 10x bigger than this simple Reason song file and Ableton Live just runs smoothly. Before you answer that I should have the zoom in Reason 12 as this or that, I am just using the normal zoom. This just tells me the program we love Reason and the version 12 which many of us are using now - isn't ready. Or at least isn't stable. If it was, then loading a simple Reason song file using Redrum, Subtractor, Thor, the mixer and few efx would be working on computers like I have. But it's not
I use window 10 on pretty powerful PCs and I have the same R12 problems with extrem loading time and also extrem RAM load and and sometimes, but not always, crazy SSD usage. I opened a support ticket 8 days ago. No answer yet. I hope they'll get the problems under control soon.gullum wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021Same here a song that takes 7 second to load in Reason 11 is taking 30+ sec to load in R21 and when opening Reason 12 I sometimes get message from Clean my mac that Reason is not responding and fi I want to close itarnigretar wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021Reason 12 is coming... yes, that's for sure. And here if you , like me, decided to jump on the wagon 3$ Reason+ for 3 months. Been user since v1. ReBirth before that. And I have been beta testing Reason versions since beginning. Love this software. But... Reason 12 is making me doubt the software for the first time. Makes me very sad. I have few computers I use and two of them are very good: 1 Macbook pro 2019 with great build. And another PC machine with Windows 10 and the specs are great. However... On both machines I have had troubles loading up projects in Reason 12. The program either just freezes or when it opens - I can just add limited devices before it get's freezing again. Sure, I could send this to the props and complain. But I am not sure what their answers will be. I am simply using project with few Reason instruments and the mixer + effects. Nothing big. On Reason 11 suite (my last bought version) this was nothing for my machines. And should not be a problem for any computer - these are minimum devices, but yet Reason freezes or is loading forever. I have re-installed and all that jazz. Still this problem is ongoing. I have Ableton Live 10 on both these machines (my macbook pro and PC running Windows 10) and I can do whatever I want and the project can be 10x bigger than this simple Reason song file and Ableton Live just runs smoothly. Before you answer that I should have the zoom in Reason 12 as this or that, I am just using the normal zoom. This just tells me the program we love Reason and the version 12 which many of us are using now - isn't ready. Or at least isn't stable. If it was, then loading a simple Reason song file using Redrum, Subtractor, Thor, the mixer and few efx would be working on computers like I have. But it's not
"the Combinator. It's both one of the most powerful sound design tools anywhere in the world as well as the easiest, best way to find great patches and just make music. Updating the Combinator is also one of the most highly requested features of all times—from more CV inputs and controls to easier programming and more patches. We're making good on all of this!"MattiasHG wrote: ↑17 May 2021I wrote some words here, if you're a sucker for more details: https://www.reasonstudios.com/blog/announcing-reason-12
Good to know that I'm not the only one. Well, maybe not that good to know - since this seems to be a problem. And a big oneDeep Schulzz wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021I use window 10 on pretty powerful PCs and I have the same R12 problems with extrem loading time and also extrem RAM load and and sometimes, but not always, crazy SSD usage. I opened a support ticket 8 days ago. No answer yet. I hope they'll get the problems under control soon.
arnigretar wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021Reason 12 is coming... yes, that's for sure. And here if you , like me, decided to jump on the wagon 3$ Reason+ for 3 months. Been user since v1. ReBirth before that. And I have been beta testing Reason versions since beginning. Love this software. But... Reason 12 is making me doubt the software for the first time. Makes me very sad. I have few computers I use and two of them are very good: 1 Macbook pro 2019 with great build. And another PC machine with Windows 10 and the specs are great. However... On both machines I have had troubles loading up projects in Reason 12. The program either just freezes or when it opens - I can just add limited devices before it get's freezing again. Sure, I could send this to the props and complain. But I am not sure what their answers will be. I am simply using project with few Reason instruments and the mixer + effects. Nothing big. On Reason 11 suite (my last bought version) this was nothing for my machines. And should not be a problem for any computer - these are minimum devices, but yet Reason freezes or is loading forever. I have re-installed and all that jazz. Still this problem is ongoing. I have Ableton Live 10 on both these machines (my macbook pro and PC running Windows 10) and I can do whatever I want and the project can be 10x bigger than this simple Reason song file and Ableton Live just runs smoothly. Before you answer that I should have the zoom in Reason 12 as this or that, I am just using the normal zoom. This just tells me the program we love Reason and the version 12 which many of us are using now - isn't ready. Or at least isn't stable. If it was, then loading a simple Reason song file using Redrum, Subtractor, Thor, the mixer and few efx would be working on computers like I have. But it's not
That's one opinion, mine is that I didn't like Reason 'until now' (V11) and its never been better or producing higher quality stuff (love Algorithm, Pattern Mutater etc)...they cant please everyone. Subscription is just an option, so nothing has changed. They need to find ways to make money (they obviously were struggling before) or development ends...give them a chance, the market is saturated and there is so much warez its hard to make money selling the product, hence developers looking at subscription.Eusantis wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021arnigretar wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021Reason 12 is coming... yes, that's for sure. And here if you , like me, decided to jump on the wagon 3$ Reason+ for 3 months. Been user since v1. ReBirth before that. And I have been beta testing Reason versions since beginning. Love this software. But... Reason 12 is making me doubt the software for the first time. Makes me very sad. I have few computers I use and two of them are very good: 1 Macbook pro 2019 with great build. And another PC machine with Windows 10 and the specs are great. However... On both machines I have had troubles loading up projects in Reason 12. The program either just freezes or when it opens - I can just add limited devices before it get's freezing again. Sure, I could send this to the props and complain. But I am not sure what their answers will be. I am simply using project with few Reason instruments and the mixer + effects. Nothing big. On Reason 11 suite (my last bought version) this was nothing for my machines. And should not be a problem for any computer - these are minimum devices, but yet Reason freezes or is loading forever. I have re-installed and all that jazz. Still this problem is ongoing. I have Ableton Live 10 on both these machines (my macbook pro and PC running Windows 10) and I can do whatever I want and the project can be 10x bigger than this simple Reason song file and Ableton Live just runs smoothly. Before you answer that I should have the zoom in Reason 12 as this or that, I am just using the normal zoom. This just tells me the program we love Reason and the version 12 which many of us are using now - isn't ready. Or at least isn't stable. If it was, then loading a simple Reason song file using Redrum, Subtractor, Thor, the mixer and few efx would be working on computers like I have. But it's not
It is sad and it is alarming. One of the best things Reason has ever had, and now they screw it up with it. It does not seem accidental that it coincides in time with putting the program as a subscription. They are demolishing in a short time everything they have achieved over many years.
And I've never been critical of Reason, until just now. It's my favorite daw by far, but I'm starting to fear that with his policy of taking money on everything, more and more, from people who don't use Reason as a DAW, Reason is increasingly threatened with death.
They should publicly apologize and make an amendment resolution, fix this however they can, if they can, and make difficult and perhaps drastic decisions, in order to return the DAW to the path more content that was its essence, and that they should never have abandoned. At least, not in such a blatant and careless way. It seems that the desire for money has blinded them.
I still expect good things from Reason 12, the sampler and the new combinator, but if my computer can't handle the software, and I have a Mcbook pro M1, it won't do me any good.
Also, the sequencer has been in need of many new improvements for a long time. They have forgotten it. It is something that matches their subscription policy, and to sell Reason as a plugin, more than anything else. They are killing the program.
M1 users maybe in the minority now. But moving your code to ARM is a good bet for future proofing your software into the next 10-15 yrs. It's possible even Windows PC users will switch at some point in the future like everything else - Cloud Servers, Android, Raspberry Pi etc etc. Intel announced that they're migrating into the chip manufacturing business and will be competing to make Apple Silicon chips for Apple. Intel can see where the market is heading.slic wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021
PS- Personally I hate all the development time being wasted on M1 processors, they could be doing something useful for everyone rather than the very vocal few % who were early adaptors for M1s demanding everyone develop native apps for free immediately! But then I would say that as I am a die-hard PC user
yep to allProboscis wrote: ↑08 Aug 2021While I have 'lost my faith' towards Reason ever updating the small 'quality of life' aspects of the core software, I would love to see a few things in the combinator:
1. The ability to type values into the programmer matrix
2. An additional menu item of 'Set Backdrop to Track Color'
3. Rotary & Button Labels to appear in the Automation lanes. Seriously, after a decade and seven major releases, it annoys me to see "Rotary 1, Rotary 2, Button 1, Button 2" etc.
And as a general sequencer improvement, how about section markers/flags ? Come on, Reason Studios, a DAW without markers is ridiculous.
Exactly ! It's very tedious to set values only by moving mouse up/down to achieve exact value. I don't understnd why direct value typing isn't allowed from beginning of the existence of this device.
The frustration I have over vst midi support is that RS released a version claiming vst support but to find out that midi through and routing wasn't available you had to spot the support article so the feature wasn't complete and assuming that they would eventually finish the implementation wasn't such a stupid idea but I'm still waiting......kbard wrote: ↑09 Aug 2021I don't understand completely some of ongoing frustration, but I can see how someone can spiral into this.
You purchase product for what it is at a time of purchasing not for what "it could be in the future". That really is all to it. If you go by it your life will not be as bitter as it is now.
There is generous trial 30 days (edit: it's 7 days or what?). That should be enough for decision. If you don't see a feature or workflow you simply pass on to another product. Or you accept it and work with what you have.
You don't go into store to buy bread only to return complaining how vendor is not delivering sausage with your purchase. Or you don't argue it is not included with it but it should because someone else is including it.
It's a extreme example but is pretty much applied to everything. It is as simple as that.
I could understand people don't liking subscription (I don't), but they left us perpetual license for purchase. You don't need to upgrade, no one is forcing anyone into anything.
I am not saying above to stop someone complaining it is a mere attempt to help someone being so bitter. Buy a tool for what it is at a time of purchase.
If you rely on someone else's promises or hopes you are pretty much setting yourself for a failure.
Remember that our music heroes created and defined foundation for genres we listen today - with so much less tools then today. Technology is important yes but to a degree. Do not let technology (and trends) drives you, you need to drive them.
edit: actually I don't understand did they shortened Trial to 7 days?? But anyway it should be enough right?