Reason+ vs Reason Suite

[guitfnky]

Am I right in thinking there is virtually no benefit to getting Reason+ If you already have suite?

Weekly soundpacks only?

The value of + can only go up for us, Suite owners in the future, but not right now. Reason 11 was adding little value from 10, but Suite? Great for me, not so great for others.
One major point of + (for some people) is collaboration. My friend has Intro. It is hard to collab together, unless I create stems, Dr Octorex loops, etc.
Reason+ is fine, if you need it. Once RS makes it amazing to me, then I may sub to it one day.

I keep an open mind, but a barely opened wallet.

the collaboration potential is the biggest selling point for existing users, IMO. still, it doesn't solve the problem of collaborating with people who have 3rd party REs that you don't have, or VSTs.

gives me a thought for something they could have tried instead of an outright subscription...a 'boost' instead, where, if you have a perpetual license already, you could pay a monthly fee to get access to everything in the Shop (including all 3rd party REs) temporarily. you'd have to choose how many months you want your temporary boost to last, but it wouldn't be an ongoing thing, by default. maybe that would be a little cheaper than R+, for us perpetuals. then keep the standard Reason+ option for anyone who doesn't already have a perpetual license.

honestly, I think something like that would be pretty great for collaboration. grab a boost when you need it, and use your perpetual license when you don't. and provided they sold it as an option specifically aimed to help collaboration, it might have gone over a hell of a lot better than the pileup we just went through. ah well, too late for that now.

[bxbrkrz]

The value of + can only go up for us, Suite owners in the future, but not right now. Reason 11 was adding little value from 10, but Suite? Great for me, not so great for others.
One major point of + (for some people) is collaboration. My friend has Intro. It is hard to collab together, unless I create stems, Dr Octorex loops, etc.
Reason+ is fine, if you need it. Once RS makes it amazing to me, then I may sub to it one day.

I keep an open mind, but a barely opened wallet.

the collaboration potential is the biggest selling point for existing users, IMO. still, it doesn't solve the problem of collaborating with people who have 3rd party REs that you don't have, or VSTs.

gives me a thought for something they could have tried instead of an outright subscription...a 'boost' instead, where, if you have a perpetual license already, you could pay a monthly fee to get access to everything in the Shop (including all 3rd party REs) temporarily. you'd have to choose how many months you want your temporary boost to last, but it wouldn't be an ongoing thing, by default. maybe that would be a little cheaper than R+, for us perpetuals. then keep the standard Reason+ option for anyone who doesn't already have a perpetual license.

honestly, I think something like that would be pretty great for collaboration. grab a boost when you need it, and use your perpetual license when you don't. and provided they sold it as an option specifically aimed to help collaboration, it might have gone over a hell of a lot better than the pileup we just went through. ah well, too late for that now.

I want my $20/month to represent, at minimum, $2000 of purchase before even thinking about any kind of sub. Maybe it will happen in 6 months, or a year? It's up to them. Some kind of ReasonCloud as an option built in the Companion app. Stuff like that. For a brand new music producer who can afford a Netflix sub, Reason+ is really great. It's a great package.
RS should do a big corp. move and buy out all the 3rd party Res as an option to the devs. A big fat check for the devs, enough so they don't have to think about it for more than 30 seconds before saying yes, imho.

[QVprod]

... in this case, copying PreSonus Sphere from the ground and up, more or less. Similar to Google they are just killing off products randomly. The Suite is dead, the Reward program you can say is dead as well.

Insider info... we were beta testing this when Presonus Sphere was announced. It’s just the way that music software is moving now. R+ is basically the successor to Suite.

[Dave Beep]

I think the subscription model is cool (for those with money to spare). I have suite and can program my own patches for my own sound, so no need for me to jump onto that. I'm saving my money for ver.12.

If I understand correctly, there won't be a version 12 as such. Not that you can buy outright anyway.

[bxbrkrz]

I think the subscription model is cool (for those with money to spare). I have suite and can program my own patches for my own sound, so no need for me to jump onto that. I'm saving my money for ver.12.

If I understand correctly, there won't be a version 12 as such. Not that you can buy outright anyway.

Do you mean a version 12 of Suite?

[Dave Beep]

no I mean full stop. As in you can no longer buy Reason outright, you can *only* subscribe.


Edit: what I mean is.. they already ceased selling Suite, so perhaps when they next have a new major update they will make it subscription only. Hopefully not.

[rgdaniel]

If Suite 11 already has all the things, what would a Suite 12 even look like? So understandably, Suite is discontinued, but upgrades to Reason 12 will preserve whatever goodies you have in Suite 11, because they're licensed individually, I believe. Bit of a dog's breakfast even before the R+ thing.

[rgdaniel]

no I mean full stop. As in you can no longer buy Reason outright, you can *only* subscribe.

LOL. No.

[Dave Beep]

no I mean full stop. As in you can no longer buy Reason outright, you can *only* subscribe.

LOL. No.

Hope you are right.

[bxbrkrz]

no I mean full stop. As in you can no longer buy Reason outright, you can *only* subscribe.

No.

[bxbrkrz]

If you own nothing but a laptop, headphones and a cheap midi controller, which solution is the better deal, R+ or Sphere?

[cymek74]

If you own nothing but a laptop, headphones and a cheap midi controller, which solution is the better deal, R+ or Sphere?

And the other option of rent to own for $16.99 p.m. for 24 months then you own Studio One 5 Professional outright.

[Dave Beep]

If you own nothing but a laptop, headphones and a cheap midi controller, which solution is the better deal, R+ or Sphere?

And the other option of rent to own for $16.99 p.m. for 24 months then you own Studio One 5 Professional outright.

Does Sphere have many soft synths? It seems like a totally different emphasis to Reason.

So personally I would choose Reason, because I couldn't see any synths with a glance at Sphere. So, unless I am recording audio or purely working with samples it's not very appealing.

But for me, Reason is best as a plug in (previously rewire, now as VST).

[QVprod]

If you own nothing but a laptop, headphones and a cheap midi controller, which solution is the better deal, R+ or Sphere?

Reason+ easily. Said this in a different thread

Both a Studio one and Reason user.. I think Reason + is a better option as far as subscriptions go. The added content in Sphere pales in comparison. Cloud collaboration is nice if you’re consistently working with other users with the same DAW on a team maybe, but is negligible beyond that IMO. We get live streams for free, and expert chat = ReasonTalk pretty much.

I’m not saying the pricing is perfect, but Reason+ offers something on the same level if not better than Splice as well as a DAW/plugin to use the content in. It’s definitely more valuable.

[starflakeprj]

Insider info... we were beta testing this when Presonus Sphere was announced. It’s just the way that music software is moving now. R+ is basically the successor to Suite.

Fair enough, and I agree this is where the business is moving. What I feel (certainly many with me as well) is how RS's most loyal customers are treated in this. It doesn't matter if they have Suite, and ALL other Rack Extensions (like me), as well as around 300 other Rack Extensions bought in the RS Shop. This treatment of loyal customer is what I'm actually am annoyed about. I know that RS is discounting Reason+ for Reason Studio license owners (Standard and Suite), but only until April IIRC. I think it's ridiculous, to gain back the lost respect from RS loyal customers, and rise RS to be "the good company" again, the one caring about their customers, they should offer the Suite owners the first year of Reason+ for free, while offering 50% to the Standard owners. That would have been "the right" thing to do.

€20/month while already owning every single Rack Extension (even with with the 50% discount) is way too high, no wonder there are customers feeling treaded on. If they only would have made it so we would had the possibility to sign up for Reason+ at a 50% discount for the rest of the year, to be able to monitor how well Reason+ is evolving, there would have been a lot less complains I believe.

In ALL other aspects, not involving marketing/business plans/business ethics (as a Business Development Manager myself (in another business though)) I at least know a thing or two) I'm defending Reason to my teeth, since I really love Reason, and at the same time being proud Reason is a Swedish developed DAW/Software (as a Swede myself). They just don't know how they should treat customers.

...and if a Reason Studios rep. is reading this and would like to have a moderate discussion over PM, and explain their thoughts (the support is impossible to keep such a dialogue with, and it's not their job), I would be more than happy to explain my view (further) from a customer's perspective. As mentioned, in a moderate and sober way, of course.

[easyrider]

If I understand correctly, there won't be a version 12 as such. Not that you can buy outright anyway.

Reason have already stated that Perpetual licences are not going away and it’s even on their website....so I fail to understand how you could not understand this....

[Dave Beep]

If I understand correctly, there won't be a version 12 as such. Not that you can buy outright anyway.

Reason have already stated that Perpetual licences are not going away and it’s even on their website....so I fail to understand how you could not understand this....

At the time of writing I could not even find out how to purchase Reason 11 on their wesbite. All roads appeared to lead to Reason+. I have found it now but it's well hidden, definitely not a clear option to a newcomer.

So I fail to understand how you would not be able to see how this assumption could arise.

[Reminiscence]

If I understand correctly, there won't be a version 12 as such. Not that you can buy outright anyway.

Do you mean a version 12 of Suite?

No just ver.12. If there is a suite upgrade option I'd go for that though.

[bxbrkrz]

If you own nothing but a laptop, headphones and a cheap midi controller, which solution is the better deal, R+ or Sphere?

Reason+ easily. Said this in a different thread

Both a Studio one and Reason user.. I think Reason + is a better option as far as subscriptions go. The added content in Sphere pales in comparison. Cloud collaboration is nice if you’re consistently working with other users with the same DAW on a team maybe, but is negligible beyond that IMO. We get live streams for free, and expert chat = ReasonTalk pretty much.

I’m not saying the pricing is perfect, but Reason+ offers something on the same level if not better than Splice as well as a DAW/plugin to use the content in. It’s definitely more valuable.

Good to know. I asked the same question regarding Roland Cloud.
As I said somewhere I'll wait for the value of R+ to go beyond what I have with Suite 11 right now and, based on real and solid future services provided, may get on board.
But right now 50% of zero value is still zero value to me, Suite 11 owner in quarter 1 2021.

I'll wait and be amazed by R+ in 2022

[QVprod]

Insider info... we were beta testing this when Presonus Sphere was announced. It’s just the way that music software is moving now. R+ is basically the successor to Suite.

€20/month while already owning every single Rack Extension (even with with the 50% discount) is way too high, no wonder there are customers feeling treaded on. If they only would have made it so we would had the possibility to sign up for Reason+ at a 50% discount for the rest of the year, to be able to monitor how well Reason+ is evolving, there would have been a lot less complains I

I think complaints would’ve been about the same. So many people misconstrued R+ to mean they were losing their current license or that there would be no more regular upgrades. It’s prominence on the website is simply just them marketing the new shiny thing. Perhaps more time to decide would be nice for current users, but since they’re only giving til April, I suppose they intend to prove themselves in a fairly short time. That’s to be seen. We do know they have some things in the works at least.

[guitfnky]

So many people misconstrued R+ to mean they were losing their current license or that there would be no more regular upgrades. It’s prominence on the website is simply just them marketing the new shiny thing.

exactly. marketing the new shiny thing in a way that was easily misconstrued. not even considering how their marketing would be seen by existing users who aren't the target of what they're rolling out is why the announcement was met with so much contention.

their marketing was an enormous failure.

[PhillipOrdonez]

They seem to have more mixing and mastering tools, whereas Reason is now instrument focused.

Get both, with the RRP you can mix everything in S1

No idea about the quality of their plugins, though.

[electrofux]

With the subscription plan coming up i dont understand why they gave suite away rather cheap? I mean i bought it because it was a good offer but all those people are likely to not subscribe anytime soon if ever.

Their timing in all this was so utterly bad. Had they given away suite now, how much bad press would thy have avoided?