Reason updates (11.3.7 / 11.3.8) and Reason+

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Will you try or subscribe to Reason+?

No, I won’t even try it
367
75%
I will try it, but the subscription is not for me
46
9%
I will try it and consider subscribing
38
8%
I will likely subscribe monthly
10
2%
I will likely subscribe annually
27
6%
 
Total votes: 488
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Post 23 Feb 2021

Melody303 wrote:
23 Feb 2021
I still want the shop link to return to its prominence instead of being relegated to the bottom of the page. They need to stop discouraging the 3rd party developers.
I think/hope it'll be sorted soon! There's still a big ol spotlight on R+ which I totally get. But I really hope all this new reach to other customers in other DAWs works out for RE devs. I saw that new Eksperimental compressor earlier today and my first thought was "oooh I'd love to use that on Drumrack in Live". So at least for me, being in another DAW doesn't lessen my desire to get new toys for the rack.

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Post 23 Feb 2021

Here's a couple great videos about Reason+

While they share many similar criticisms as others have made here, they might be delivered a bit too calmly for some of you to acknowledge or even notice 😂




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Post 23 Feb 2021

joeyluck wrote:
23 Feb 2021
Here's a couple great videos about Reason+

While they share many similar criticisms as others have made here, they might be delivered a bit too calmly for some of you to acknowledge or even notice 😂



Thanks for sharing these joeyluck. Fairly balanced views as you said. The ideas about tutorials of how the patches were made/effect of changes would be handy for some. The idea of giving a basic version of reason free to people who subscribe has merit too as then if they stop subscription they are more likely to buy a few re's that would help the developers (am I correct in thinking people on sub can buy 3rd party developers rack extensions now). Still not for me but can see benefits for some.

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Post 23 Feb 2021

I don't get why it's so hard to have choices.
Maybe it is an illusion and we should be unhappy 24/7 until RS12?

From a happy RS Suite 11 user, helping reaching page 100 :puf_smile:

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Post 23 Feb 2021

Well I guess it's all about the numbers!

15k of views for the new synth, but only 6k for the video that was directly deployed to the companion apps banner!

Is that a good sign or a bad one ?
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Post 23 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
23 Feb 2021
15k of views for the new synth, but only 6k for the video that was directly deployed to the companion apps banner!

Is that a good sign or a bad one ?
Not sure you can really draw a conclusion from that either way. That said, those "numbers" could easily suggest that most Companion/R+ users have little interest in watching an artist interview featuring Claudio (a person admittedly I know nothing about nor had any interest in until I watched the interview).

Time will tell, though.
joeyluck wrote:
23 Feb 2021
While they share many similar criticisms as others have made here, they might be delivered a bit too calmly for some of you to acknowledge or even notice 😂
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Post 23 Feb 2021

EnochLight wrote:
23 Feb 2021

Not sure you can really draw a conclusion from that either way. That said, those "numbers" could easily suggest that most Companion/R+ users have little interest in watching an artist interview featuring Claudio (a person admittedly I know nothing about nor had any interest in until I watched the interview).

Time will tell, though.
Yeah I was just trying to figure out the actual launch day, I'm thinking those that start their trial on day one will be getting the new synth for maybe a couple of days before they have to decide on whether they are going to continue and actually start paying!
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Post 23 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
23 Feb 2021
Yeah I was just trying to figure out the actual launch day, I'm thinking those that start their trial on day one will be getting the new synth for maybe a couple of days before they have to decide on whether they are going to continue and actually start paying!
Regarding Algoritm? I'm willing to wager all R+ subscribers (both old/current and new) will get it available in their Companion app to download the morning of launch day, and anyone else will be able to buy it in the Shop for whatever compatible perpetual license of Reason they own for at least $99 USD, possibly more. I doubt they'll make perpetual license holders wait, anyway. It's all about those numbers!

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Post 23 Feb 2021

EnochLight wrote:
23 Feb 2021
Billy+ wrote:
23 Feb 2021
Yeah I was just trying to figure out the actual launch day, I'm thinking those that start their trial on day one will be getting the new synth for maybe a couple of days before they have to decide on whether they are going to continue and actually start paying!
Regarding Algoritm? I'm willing to wager all R+ subscribers (both old/current and new) will get it available in their Companion app to download the morning of launch day, and anyone else will be able to buy it in the Shop for whatever compatible perpetual license of Reason they own for at least $99 USD, possibly more. I doubt they'll make perpetual license holders wait, anyway. It's all about those numbers!

;)

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Lol

Yeah—buy it no matter what the cost!

Show them with your wallets how much you value perpetual licenses!!! :D

If you don't buy it and more users access Algoritm via subscription, well you know what that means for the future... :puf_bigsmile:

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Post 23 Feb 2021

joeyluck wrote:
23 Feb 2021

Lol

Yeah—buy it no matter what the cost!

Show them with your wallets how much you value perpetual licenses!!! :D

If you don't buy it and more users access Algoritm via subscription, well you know what that means for the future... :puf_bigsmile:
Well unfortunately I still think the future is very uncertain and I made up my mind to not by anything from the shop until I see improvements in the main DAW which MUST include the features I'm after else I'm off to buy Logic.
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Post 23 Feb 2021

bxbrkrz wrote:
23 Feb 2021
Maybe it is an illusion and we should be unhappy 24/7 until RS12?
What??? You think we'll be HAPPY with Reason 12?
You're weird. :lol:

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Post 23 Feb 2021

I think I've figured the new reason out... (see New Coke)

Reason is evolving to meet the market and I am aging out of it. I think I get it. There are more things to compete for your attention these days, so the subscription and constant flow of "beats" and "sounds" fits the consumer palate that doesn't linger long enough for mastery in a single dimension. To be fair, I think the cumulative work is leading to new forms of mastery, just not those that are familiar. I reached this conclusion as my inbox had the latest marketing missive from reasonstudios where I am encouraged to extend my fast food diet with splice and reason+. As I watched the featured artist (Sango) work, I realized what a great experience is being facilitated for him. I also realized that the original appeal of "the rack" for me isn't how he is connecting with reason. I liked the wires and the fiddly bits, and he likes a quick and deep browsing guide to find, on demand, the flavors that resonate with his mood now. None of this existed for me "back then" so figuring out how the CZ101 (and before that the VL-1) worked was how I conceptualized making "beats" and "sounds." Long and arduous process for minimal results.

So, Propellerheads, its me and not you.

It is sad to age out of something, but that is the way of things... Moreover, it was Heraclitus that said that we could never step into the same river twice. To say that this isn't your "granddaddy's Reason" is to admit that it has evolved to not be my Reason.

They say that the "...the road to hell is paved with good intentions." They also say that we create our own hell. My dissatisfaction with reason studios' direction is my own and to stick around, hoping that "he'll change, I can change him," is the stuff of battered spouses (to wax melodramatic).

I can't pretend that today's "reason+" is the same reason I embraced in version 4, but then again it is. Reason doesn't want to be my DAW, it was to be a "beat maker" rack, which is what it started off as. I haven't changed, the world around me has. Last aphorism: "when one door closes, another opens." As I am likely to close the door on my commitment to Reason, perhaps the strategy and direction will open the new doors they are hoping for.

The new Ableton is out, but that never seemed like "home" for me. Should I just return to the Cubase land from whence I came? Which is the "Fletcher Memorial Home" for those who pine for what was?

No, I won't let the door hit me on my way out and, yes, "get off my lawn."
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Post 24 Feb 2021

Man that new CEO could really get the whole community on his side if the next few Reason upgrades were FOCUSED on core upgrades, and they actually stopped putting all their efforts and resources into anything except that.
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Post 24 Feb 2021

Jagwah wrote:
24 Feb 2021
Man that new CEO could really get the whole community on his side if the next few Reason upgrades were FOCUSED on core upgrades, and they actually stopped putting all their efforts and resources into anything except that.
I've had a growing feeling over the last couple of versions that for whatever reason they lack the ability to fully move the software forward in it's functionality and instead are pumping out shiny objects to calm the customers.
Yes, things like players make creating music easier but they feel like a bandage of sorts covering the lack of deeper functionality in the whole system.
It is kind of ironic when the Reason mantra has always been to make creating music easier for users yet basic flaws have been pointed out for years by users and still not addressed.....like I said, I have no idea why?
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Post 24 Feb 2021

ahuimanu wrote:
23 Feb 2021
I think I've figured the new reason out... (see New Coke)

Reason is evolving to meet the market and I am aging out of it. I think I get it. There are more things to compete for your attention these days, so the subscription and constant flow of "beats" and "sounds" fits the consumer palate that doesn't linger long enough for mastery in a single dimension. To be fair, I think the cumulative work is leading to new forms of mastery, just not those that are familiar. I reached this conclusion as my inbox had the latest marketing missive from reasonstudios where I am encouraged to extend my fast food diet with splice and reason+. As I watched the featured artist (Sango) work, I realized what a great experience is being facilitated for him. I also realized that the original appeal of "the rack" for me isn't how he is connecting with reason. I liked the wires and the fiddly bits, and he likes a quick and deep browsing guide to find, on demand, the flavors that resonate with his mood now. None of this existed for me "back then" so figuring out how the CZ101 (and before that the VL-1) worked was how I conceptualized making "beats" and "sounds." Long and arduous process for minimal results.

So, Propellerheads, its me and not you.

It is sad to age out of something, but that is the way of things... Moreover, it was Heraclitus that said that we could never step into the same river twice. To say that this isn't your "granddaddy's Reason" is to admit that it has evolved to not be my Reason.

They say that the "...the road to hell is paved with good intentions." They also say that we create our own hell. My dissatisfaction with reason studios' direction is my own and to stick around, hoping that "he'll change, I can change him," is the stuff of battered spouses (to wax melodramatic).

I can't pretend that today's "reason+" is the same reason I embraced in version 4, but then again it is. Reason doesn't want to be my DAW, it was to be a "beat maker" rack, which is what it started off as. I haven't changed, the world around me has. Last aphorism: "when one door closes, another opens." As I am likely to close the door on my commitment to Reason, perhaps the strategy and direction will open the new doors they are hoping for.

The new Ableton is out, but that never seemed like "home" for me. Should I just return to the Cubase land from whence I came? Which is the "Fletcher Memorial Home" for those who pine for what was?

No, I won't let the door hit me on my way out and, yes, "get off my lawn."
:lol:
Thanks, really nice to read.

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Post 24 Feb 2021

meh

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Post 24 Feb 2021

Hi,
I have followed this for a while now. Now that the mood is somewhat calmer, I like to add my 2 cents.
I am a longstanding user of REASON, but not the most typical. Actually, it is no good fit for my purpose, but I was attracted by the Rack and the cabling on the back. The mixer had its appeal as well. But I am more into midi and for some reason that is related to recent developments into VST3.
I use Band in a Box to create music and need a DAW to further process it. Now that there is a VST3 PlugIn from Band in a Box (seems like making the main program a plugin for competitors to run is en vougue) I would like to use that. So if REASON “the DAW” would deliver some enhancements in direction of MIDI and VST3 I would still invest into updates. But – I came to REASON because a friend has it, so we can cooperate. For him REASON is a hindrance now. He moves to Studio 1 and what he showed me is very impressive. Also the Band in a Box Forum (where the same discussions along the line: “I do not like the direction they go. It is all about new content and longstanding feature requests are ignored” take place. Yet in a different tone.) has many positive comments on Studio 1 and how well that DAW complements Band in a Box.
So I see that people already move away from REASON and I may too, if there will be no updates, no perpetual license and I may pause updates (should they happen) if the DAW enhancement is not present or worth it.
Because of this uncertain future (and trust lost into the company) I will not invest further into REs.
And I will also not invest into (any) subscription that leaves me with nothing in the end.
The funny thing is, it seems I have outgrown REASON. Me, a dwarf regarding music making. Does that show how small REASON is as a DAW?

Some addendum with regards to business management. There is always this consideration of “sunken cost” when replacing a past investment. How much will I loose and what is to gain.
I have a Nektar Panoroma and when I bought it, it was because of the dedicated hardware that was so well integrated. I will not lose this, as nektar supports Studio 1 as well. (Seems the company is unhappy with the further development of Remote and may find Reason Studios unreliable).
I bought REASON Suite and as I have the Rack PlugIn, I will not lose the Rack Devices.
I will lose some of the learning invested over time, but I would need to learn new things anyhow, if the DAW would receive some enhancements eventually.
So, not much will be lost; but a new world lies ahead and there is much to gain.

So, it is easy to switch. That is a bad sign for a company that is looking for customer retainment. But many of the forum users raise concerns that this is not the focus of the new owners anyhow.
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Post 24 Feb 2021

bxbrkrz wrote:
23 Feb 2021
I don't get why it's so hard to have choices.
Maybe it is an illusion and we should be unhappy 24/7 until RS12?

From a happy RS Suite 11 user, helping reaching page 100 :puf_smile:
That has been the trend for a very long time here. Its part of the Reason (lol) I barely post but come here for news and interesting reads.
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Post 24 Feb 2021

ECHLN wrote:
24 Feb 2021
bxbrkrz wrote:
23 Feb 2021
I don't get why it's so hard to have choices.
Maybe it is an illusion and we should be unhappy 24/7 until RS12?

From a happy RS Suite 11 user, helping reaching page 100 :puf_smile:
That has been the trend for a very long time here. Its part of the Reason (lol) I barely post but come here for news and interesting reads.
Don't forget the happy cringe memes. They are vital pushing our universal goal toward the 100th happy page :puf_smile:

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Post 24 Feb 2021

I was looking for the download of Reason Suite 11.3.5 ( found the regular app download) Likely no difference since the racks are what makes it suite correct? Anyways... while I searched the net after no luck on reason studio site ... I found a disturbing trend and perhaps the reason for the change to a new authorization process> if these links actual work and are not click bait.... Many links found ... but I can unload up load 3 examples....you get the idea.. I hope this did not happen !
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Post 24 Feb 2021

[quote=moneykube post_id=544585 time=1614182341 user_id=5186]
I was looking for the download of Reason Suite 11.3.5 ( found the regular app download) Likely no difference since the racks are what makes it suite correct? Anyways... while I searched the net after no luck on reason studio site ... I found a disturbing trend and perhaps the reason for the change to a new authorization process> if these links actual work and are not click bait.... Many links found ... but I can unload up load 3 examples....you get the idea.. I hope this did not happen !
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These are scam sites. It could be Cubase, Windows, or whatever program you are looking for.

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Post 24 Feb 2021

moneykube wrote:
24 Feb 2021
I was looking for the download of Reason Suite 11.3.5
Yeah I think it would be handy if we could download all builds, rather than the current latest.

I don't think it would take much work for RS to make them all available!

Have you tried asking support for a specific version?
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Post 24 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
24 Feb 2021
moneykube wrote:
24 Feb 2021
I was looking for the download of Reason Suite 11.3.5
Yeah I think it would be handy if we could download all builds, rather than the current latest.

I don't think it would take much work for RS to make them all available!

Have you tried asking support for a specific version?
They have all always been available.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/updates

Or are you asking about trying to download and authorize versions older than the earliest version you own?

[EDIT] I guess you mean the Suite versions?

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Post 24 Feb 2021

joeyluck wrote:
24 Feb 2021

They have all always been available.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/updates

Or are you asking about trying to download and authorize versions older than the earliest version you own?

[EDIT] I guess you mean the Suite versions?
Actually I'm not asking per say. But if you're saying that ALL builds including every revision is available from that URL then excellent - moneykube is after Suite build 11.3.5 can you find the link and post it for him?
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Post 24 Feb 2021

Billy+ wrote:
24 Feb 2021
joeyluck wrote:
24 Feb 2021

They have all always been available.

https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason/updates

Or are you asking about trying to download and authorize versions older than the earliest version you own?

[EDIT] I guess you mean the Suite versions?
Actually I'm not asking per say. But if you're saying that ALL builds including every revision is available from that URL then excellent - moneykube is after Suite build 11.3.5 can you find the link and post it for him?
yes thanks Billy.... I knew the other link, but was curious if > since I have all the racks. that link for 11.3.5 on Joey's post would be enough ? > or do I need the suite download? Hoping to install a version without the ram eating bug.
i read 11.3.6 also has that bug. No one mentioned 11.3 .5 having it... and I am getting tired of updating licenses every time I open reason... I have many racks and depending on server load , it can take some time to license every time.
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