Reason updates (11.3.7 / 11.3.8) and Reason+

[sprinkles__]

12 months of support for Reason is laughable.

And yet it's been that way for many, many years - as well as many other DAW. I didn't see you complaining then.

Following this release history, if i bought each new version on release day, was support immediately cut off at day 366 between versions:

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??

No. I don't think so. So why the obscurantism? What's your game?

[EnochLight]

Following this release history, if i bought each new version on release day, was support immediately cut off at day 366 between versions:

viewtopic.php?p=320600#p320600

??

No. I don't think so. So why the obscurantism? What's your game?

Obscurantism? Lmao - try again, man. My point was RS (Propellerhead then) has offered "only" 1 year - that's 12 months - of support for well over a decade for perpetual licenses. You're pretending that the introduction of Reason+ (offering support as long as you sub) compared to perpetual licenses only offering 12 months of support is a new thing or never existed. That's patently false, and the fact that people are making it a thing right now proves how laughably how out of touch people are with reality.

Fun fact sprinkles: you only got 12 months of support if you bought a Reason upgrade in the past, or a full version. It's been that way for over a decade.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120619185 ... greements/

4.No warranty. The Software is being delivered to you AS IS and Propellerhead Software makes no warranty other than that the Software shall conform to the specifications in the documentation during a warranty period of twelve month from delivery.

[sprinkles__]

god you're stupid

this forum has the absolute worst moderators i've ever seen, snarky, always on the attack when they don't like being shown up. fuck this.

delete this post like you do with the others. it's the last i'm going to be making here so you might as well remove me from memory.

[EnochLight]

blah blah blah

Buh bye!

Full disclosure: personal attacks, name calling, and crap like sprinkles just displayed are not welcome in this forum and will be banned without question. We don't have time for this. Just because people disagree with you or place counterarguments does not give one license to pull the sort of childish crap sprinkles just displayed.

Good grief.

Debate and argue with respect. For pete's sake, it's a FORUM. Not sprinkles-pity-party.

[OverneathTheSkyBridg]

I think we've pretty much squeezed all possible hate out of R+ at this point if we're down to arguing about terms of service and support.

[EnochLight]

LOL!!! You're not wrong.

[michael.jaye]

god you're stupid

this forum has the absolute worst moderators i've ever seen, snarky, always on the attack when they don't like being shown up. ferk this.

delete this post like you do with the others. it's the last i'm going to be making here so you might as well remove me from memory.

Don't like being shown up? Enoch just used facts to prove you wrong. Absolute insanity.

Then, again, most of this thread is.

[sashdor80]

So we have the voting with nearly 400 people who will not use the subscription ( aprox 80% ).
Is there anybody from "Reason Studio employee" in this Forum and has a statement to that ?
Dont want search all 2200 Posts....


I think, Reason Studios are a bit guilty on all those reactions and have to give us a statement back .

[ECHLN]

Clearly R+ is a success judging from all of the salt that users are throwing at it - by users who have no intention of ever subscribing. Jesus, if I spent half as much time throwing salt at something I never planned to buy, I'd never have time to actually sit down and produce music.

I have a friend that's even considering coming back to Reason because of Reason+. I think that most people here are out of touch with reality and don't realize that many people have actually been waiting for this, like myself.

[dimapet]

LOL

[moneykube]

LOL

: well 17 views until censored.... a new record
michael.jaye... at least I tried to reply to your "statement"

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get used to it

[dimapet]

Ok!

[EdwardKiy]

blah blah blah

Buh bye!

Full disclosure: personal attacks, name calling, and crap like sprinkles just displayed are not welcome in this forum and will be banned without question. We don't have time for this. Just because people disagree with you or place counterarguments does not give one license to pull the sort of childish crap sprinkles just displayed.

Good grief.

Debate and argue with respect. For pete's sake, it's a FORUM. Not sprinkles-pity-party.

First of all I would suggest un-banning sprinkles. He has a temper, sure, but his greatest offense was calling Enoch stupid, which COULD be viewed as an offense had Enoch not made some very convincing and repeated arguments for it and then provoked sprinkles on top of that.

Secondly, I would suggest that Enoch relieves himself or be stripped of his mod privileges. Spams off-topic condescending memes, has been politely pointed to how he is wrong by at least 5 people in this thread alone, was asked repeatedly to stop a certain behaviour by users, mocks users, suggests something is a "new norm, so get used to it" based on nothing but his opinion - this lack of integrity is fine for a user, but not a mod.

Let me repeat sprinkles' question: if a glaring bug is found in the DAW outside the 365 warranty, you think Reason won't be fixing it? Moreover, you think they are NOT OBLIGED to fix it?

The answer is YES, they will and YES they are obliged to do so.

Here's actual facts: anything RS can write in their terms and conditions is a liability clog that has little-to-no legal power, as in court it is immediately overriden by customer protection legislature. SURPRISE! Not to RS, thankfully, because they then continue with

THIS:
5. LIABILITY, NON-WARRANTY AND INDEMNIFICATION (Terms of service)
5.1 We endeavor to keep the Services available at all times and to correct errors and defects without unnecessary delay. However, Reason neither represents nor warrants that the Services will be continuous, uninterrupted or error-free or that any defects will be cor-rected. The Services is provided by Reason on an "as-is" and "as available" basis.

Because THIS:
6. DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS ( Terms of purchase)
6.1 Your order of Products is subject to mandatory consumer protection legislation. As such, you may (depending on the circumstances) have the right to return defective Products and request that such Products are repaired, replaced or refunded. You may also have right to terminate the purchase agreement, claim a price reduction and claim compensation for damages.

Now that we've established (I hope) that sprinkles has been correct from both a factual and a legal standpoint, I would like to get back to the "it's the new norm - get used to it" statement.

Under capitalism, (without which democracy cannot exist, just by the way) the buyer, and not the seller gets to decide what the "norm" is, because his money is a form of a vote on perceived value. That is the basis for any currency - fiat or non-fiat, wheat stocks, coal, dollars, gold or bitcoin. Please write this down or repeat this in your head until the information settles. THE BUYER DECIDES WHAT THE NORM IS. THE BUYER DECIDES WHAT THE NORM IS. THE BUYER DECIDES WHAT THE NORM IS.

To claim otherwise, means you are either

a) omnipresent deity, which somehow coalesces all buyers' opinions into singularity aka you are delusional and need urgent help before spiralling out of control
b) you remain uninformed while being informed aka you are stupid
c) you are actually informed but spread misinformation aka you are doing damage wilfully
d) you live under and propagate a communist regime aka you are on this forum illegally

As to Enoch's demand for "arguing respectfully"

Politeness may be a requirement as a rule of an establishment, but is not strictly necessary to dialogue, which is a form of searching for objective truths. Even if it is a requirement of this forum, Enoch has overstepped this about a hundred times in this thread alone making it no longer valid.
Respect is a different thing altogether, it has to be earned over time and be based on performance - no establishment or person can demand it. Example: Joeyluck has earned my respect for his integrity and so did Selig, despite how opposite we are in understanding certain things and how they might hate my guts.

BUH BYE

[EdwardKiy]

I have a friend that's even considering coming back to Reason because of Reason+. I think that most people here are out of touch with reality and don't realize that many people have actually been waiting for this, like myself.

Reason+ is good for new users, sure. To try for free for a month. As a model for daily use it makes no sense whatsoever, unless you are wealthy enough to not count monthly £20 for renting something as an expense. But if you are absolutely too short on dough and possibilities to purchase the full current license (like myself), RS gracefully allow you to buy a R10 license on this very forum for around a 100 euro/pounds from another user and then upgrade it to a current version later when you've accumulated another 125 or have absolutely outgrown version 10 functionality (haha). You pay LESS and end up OWNING stuff. Talk about reality.

[bangaio]

Following this release history, if i bought each new version on release day, was support immediately cut off at day 366 between versions:

viewtopic.php?p=320600#p320600


No. I don't think so. So why the obscurantism? What's your game?

Obscurantism? Lmao - try again, man. My point was RS (Propellerhead then) has offered "only" 1 year - that's 12 months - of support for well over a decade for perpetual licenses. You're pretending that the introduction of Reason+ (offering support as long as you sub) compared to perpetual licenses only offering 12 months of support is a new thing or never existed. That's patently false, and the fact that people are making it a thing right now proves how laughably how out of touch people are with reality.

Fun fact sprinkles: you only got 12 months of support if you bought a Reason upgrade in the past, or a full version. It's been that way for over a decade.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120619185 ... greements/

4.No warranty. The Software is being delivered to you AS IS and Propellerhead Software makes no warranty other than that the Software shall conform to the specifications in the documentation during a warranty period of twelve month from delivery.

A contractual warranty is not the same thing as support in any way.

[EnochLight]

First of all I would suggest un-banning sprinkles. He has a temper, sure, but his greatest offense was calling Enoch stupid, which COULD be viewed as an offense had Enoch not made some very convincing and repeated arguments for it and then provoked sprinkles on top of that.

Secondly, I would suggest that Enoch relieves himself or be stripped of his mod privileges.

Couldn't care less what you think EdwardKiy. I'm not here to make friends or give you warm hugs - if you don't like things, there's plenty of other forums on the Internet. Rules clearly state no name calling; I made the call. We're all for spirited debates, but that's all they should remain. Period. I'll even give your thinly veiled ad hominem a pass.

Next!

[Billy+]

Wow this one took off again. Features / Pricing / deals / discount and economics......

any one see this :-

I get that people cost money and good people cost more but if RS gets the traction they are after with subscription then doesn't that allow them to recover costs and stabilise turn over and possibly make some of the improvements we've all been screaming for?

Most of us wait for a deal or some kind of discount some of us are buying Reason from 3rd party vendors at a discount so they either raise prices or find another revenue stream hence the subscription which I personally think devalues their Rack Extensions as they are included.

As a long term owner who has spent a reasonable sum of cash over the years it definitely grates that someone can spend £20 and get it all, but and the end of the month they really do have to make a choice and if we take James at face value then maybe we are going to see improvements to keep those who subscribe coming back.

I definitely think this year is going to be a different year with Reason I just hope that they don't forget about us oldies who like to buy are kit.

[orthodox]

Under capitalism, (without which democracy cannot exist, just by the way) the buyer, and not the seller gets to decide what the "norm" is, because his money is a form of a vote on perceived value. That is the basis for any currency - fiat or non-fiat, wheat stocks, coal, dollars, gold or bitcoin. Please write this down or repeat this in your head until the information settles. THE BUYER DECIDES WHAT THE NORM IS. THE BUYER DECIDES WHAT THE NORM IS. THE BUYER DECIDES WHAT THE NORM IS.

That's not true even in ideal world/economy. The norm forms in the legal field as a compromise between the interests of buyers and sellers. Buyers can't force sellers to give away their products free of charge, so there are limits. In real world, the buyers don't really decide anything as they are a dispersed entity.

And on democracy, it has nothing to do with capitalism. You must be talking about one sort of it, the liberal one. The holders of that franchise claim that people can't equally participate in political decisions unless given a certain "universal" rights bundle, which is part of that democratic franchise they sell. In fact, people there can only choose between a couple of offers on the political market that's already bought by high finance. You can't beat that with "votes" you got in your pocket. Not much of a difference from communism where a single party monopolizes the market.

[ECHLN]

I have a friend that's even considering coming back to Reason because of Reason+. I think that most people here are out of touch with reality and don't realize that many people have actually been waiting for this, like myself.

Reason+ is good for new users, sure. To try for free for a month. As a model for daily use it makes no sense whatsoever, unless you are wealthy enough to not count monthly £20 for renting something as an expense. But if you are absolutely too short on dough and possibilities to purchase the full current license (like myself), RS gracefully allow you to buy a R10 license on this very forum for around a 100 euro/pounds from another user and then upgrade it to a current version later when you've accumulated another 125 or have absolutely outgrown version 10 functionality (haha). You pay LESS and end up OWNING stuff. Talk about reality.

It makes more financial sense to pay a small fee per month than a larger sum that I honestly can't afford to take out at one go and also always have to latest version of Reason and its RE's is very appealing to me

[Billy+]

Ahh capitalist democracy vs communist society. I've lived in a democracy all my life and never got what I voted for!

Sometimes I wonder what it might be like if all my choices were removed and I just got what everybody else got......

What the hell does this have to do with Reason?

[orthodox]

What the hell does this have to do with Reason?

This is an allegory of relations between customers and the company.

[Billy+]

What the hell does this have to do with Reason?

This is an allegory of relations between customers and the company.

The relationship is a fairly simple one, they want our cash and will try anything to get it even if it's only a few bucks a month.


I do have a question relating to the subscription though, don't know if anyone can answer but.

Do you have to actually do anything for a renewal or is it automatic?

[EnochLight]

I do have a question relating to the subscription though, don't know if anyone can answer but.

Do you have to actually do anything for a renewal or is it automatic?

It's automatic, assuming you keep your credit card on file up-to-date.

[Billy+]

I do have a question relating to the subscription though, don't know if anyone can answer but.

Do you have to actually do anything for a renewal or is it automatic?

It's automatic, assuming you keep your credit card on file up-to-date.

Thanks for that, I was hoping that you actually had to authorise it each month but I guess it makes more sense to be automatic.

[avasopht]

Ahh capitalist democracy vs communist society. I've lived in a democracy all my life and never got what I voted for!

What the hell does this have to do with Reason?

Well we have ...

Authorizer
Record (tracking our every move)
Polar (to polarize us)
Pulverizer (to keep the dissidents in check)

... ... all we need now is a General or a Dictator and we're good to go